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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg you know over the

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years we've had round tables we had

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round tables in observance of the

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passing of John keel and Richard Hall

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and even Mac Tony's for one lucious

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Farish and we had a cross-section guest

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one show that we haven't done yet is a

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round table about an unusual place right

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here in the United States which some

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people call the skinwalker ranch

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of course we covered that book from

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George Knapp on several occasions but

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now we go more in depth and what we're

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gonna do on the show with Chris and I is

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we're going to bring on and Chris will

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introduce the special guest

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investigators who know what's going on

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we'll explain to those of you who are

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not acquainted with these mysteries

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where we're coming from

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and then we'll even answer a lot of

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questions if we've received from our

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audiences if you want to know how to

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post those questions as you go to forum

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dot with apparent cast com that's forum

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dr. Perik ask um we have a place there

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called the question Bank and whatever we

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know far enough in advance that the

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guest is due we'll post a thread or

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topic there so you ask your questions

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that's how it goes but this is a show

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I'm excited about so excited I might

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just sit back and become the fly on the

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wall and let Chris running how's that

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Chris C gene we always enjoy and welcome

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your input obviously hunt for the

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skinwalker a book that was written by

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you know crack journalist from Las Vegas

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George Knapp and a microbiologist who

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was employed by the National Institute

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of Discovery Sciences or knids which is

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a paranormal investigation scientific

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investigative group set up by shadowy

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billionaire Robert

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made his fortune with the budget suites

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hotel chain mids bought this ranch back

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in 1996 I first became aware of this

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case in 1996 before the article that

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exposed it to the world came out was

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written by Zack van eck for the désirée

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news and I was involved very very early

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on and 16 years later I still feel that

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this could be the most important single

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case has a lot of different elements as

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we'll find out you know over the course

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of this show but it is a single case it

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is a location specific situation and I

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still feel that this is one of the most

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important if not the case that should be

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focused on by investigators and we're

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really gonna cover a lot of ground the

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basic story is pretty simple a gentleman

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by the name of Terry Sherman and his

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wife Gwen bought a ranch I think was in

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1994 and it's located in the Uintah

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Basin of Utah which is in kind of the

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central south central part of the state

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and very early on they noticed some very

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strange events were happening including

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large oversized wolves and other strange

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animal type forms voices from out of

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nowhere seemingly right above the

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family's head strange craft coming

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through apertures or portals that would

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open up in the air right in front of

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their house whenever they dug on the

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ranch for instance with backhoes you

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know created water sprinkler systems and

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that sort of thing it seemed to stir up

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activity and this particular property

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became too much for the family and at

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one point they they went ahead and

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News who published a now famous article

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about the case and they ended up selling

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the ranch to Robert Bigelow who bought

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the ranch moved in a whole team of

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scientists and abstence ibly they'd been

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there for the last 16 years

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you know gathering data and very little

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is known about the case the book hunt

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for the skinwalker written by George

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Knapp and Cole Kelleher only scratched

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the surface and we're gonna dig a little

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deeper today Jean and really get into

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this case this is a I think a really

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important show tell us about our guests

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well we have David Weatherly who I've

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been working with loosely here for the

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past couple years

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obviously loosely we haven't formalized

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our investigative partnership if if I

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could say that but we have both been

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very interested in the case David is

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spent quite a bit of time he lived up in

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Utah for a number of years has has

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vernal Roosevelt fort to Shane this is

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where all this activity seems to be

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centered David has branched out he's not

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only interested in this Sherman ranch

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case as we'll find out but he's also

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interested in the Uintah Basin as a

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whole there's a lot of interesting stuff

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going on the Sherman ranch may be an

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epicenter of sorts but we're gonna find

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out from David about his investigations

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and what he's found out we also have

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Ryan Skinner who relatively speaking to

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the 16 years that we've known about this

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case Ryan is more of a late comer but he

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has spent a lot of quality time up at

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the ranch he's located in Wisconsin but

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he does I don't know how you do it Ryan

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but he spends quite a bit of time out

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there whenever he can I was involved

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with a shoot with Ryan and the Jesse

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venture conspiracy theory show but

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Jesse's son and Oliver Stone's son we

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were there what happened to the father's

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they just didn't wanna get involved I

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don't know a lot to have to adjust that

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later but but we had a very interesting

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time I finally got a chance to meet Ryan

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we had an interesting experience on

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skinwalker Ridge which is a geologic

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formation just north of the ranch and

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and we'll talk about that later but but

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Ryan has really done an amazing job of

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sleuthing around the area documenting

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events that have occurred you know

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testing the defensive perimeters around

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the ranch and and he's experienced

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probably as much as anyone not involved

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with nits of course who operate the

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ranch but Ryan has had quite a number of

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very interesting experiences including

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one that we shared the last October but

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we're also hoping for a special guest

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who shall remain nameless but we're

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hoping later on to to have a special

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guest who's gonna share some insider

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insight into the case that works for me

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grace why don't you bring on our guests

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and let's start the conversation going

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I guess first what we should do is for

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people who are not familiar with this

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these cases and with the geography more

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than what you've laid out there may be

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some more specifics yeah David you want

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to you want to start us off and give us

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a little bit of background I know you've

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done quite a bit of research there we

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should talk obviously about Frank

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Salisbury in his very important book the

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great Utah UFO display which was

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published in the early 70s his

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investigative cohort junior Hicks we

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tried to get on the show we still might

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be able to do that but but we'll have to

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see why don't you start us off and give

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us a little background about the area

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let's talk about the Native American

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traditions the interesting geology in

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that sort of thing

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sure well first of all thanks Christian

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genius pleasure to be on with you guys

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and yeah this is this is an exciting

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time in this area it's just incredible

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as you stated Chris you know I've done a

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lot of research into the region and

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really you the you interface and has

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something equivalencies in The

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Descendants Valley that you've worked

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extensively where the Superstition

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Mountains in Arizona paranormal hotbed

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of a wide range of activity and it's you

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know people have to understand you're

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not familiar with Utah first of all and

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geographically this region it is

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bordered by mountains on the north and

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the west

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this is a very rural area lots of small

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little towns I think the largest cities

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towns vernal which I believe still has

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less than 10,000 people you know this is

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this is ranching community it's a lot of

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Native American population and the

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history of the phenomenon here it goes

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back well prior to the Sherman ranch you

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know I first got involved in the area

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when I was living in northern Utah I

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actually got a call about a Bigfoot

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encounter that was out in that region

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and don't forget you can find us on

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Twitter we're known as the para cast on

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Twitter check us out david Weatherly

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ladies and gentleman is giving us the

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background of what went on in this

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region of Utah we've got a lot more to

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present here with Ryan Skinner and David

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Weatherly joining gene and Christian

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all these strange occurrences and david

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was giving us the overview and i wanted

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to have him continue in that direction

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david sure so jumping ahead a little bit

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i first became aware of the region when

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in the area so I went out to the other

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base and and I started exploring met

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with the people that have this encounter

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and discovered that the whole area was

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just an amazing hotbed of activity at

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UFO sightings are wide range of cryptid

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encounters and the more I explored and

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started digging in with the locals and

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trying to make connections I discovered

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a lot of very strange things that go

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back and have Native American

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connections to the area so you know to

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put this in sort of historical context

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you have the youth tribe who lives in

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the region and during the white

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settlement the youths actually sided

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with the with the Americans against the

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Navajos so it created a lot of animosity

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between the East and Navajo and over

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time this is sort of grew and grew the

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youths were part of the forced march of

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the Navajos you know that thousands and

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others were forced to march over 300

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miles down in Mexico and in the course

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of this happening he came to believe

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that the Navajos had cursed them and

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this is the source of some of the tales

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of skinwalkers

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in the region for anyone who doesn't

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know the skinwalker is it essentially is

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someone who practices witchcraft in

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Native American terms and in that

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context is a very evil type of magic

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these people are able to shape-shift

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into animals so essentially we're

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talking something that came to the

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classic werewolf European mythology or

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are we talking also about

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the shapeshifters that we have on our TV

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show by True Blood where they can kind

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of turn themselves as anything or it

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must have be wolves well the idea of a

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skinwalker is that they are able to take

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the skin of an animal and whatever

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animal they take the skin of they're

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able to Don this skin and literally

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into the animal or it's easily a weird

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version of the animal like a bipedal

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coyote or you know a werewolf type of

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image there's also some legends that say

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that these skin walkers can literally

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take the skin of their enemy another

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person and be able to shapes it into

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that person so they're not really bound

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to particular animal but there are you

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know parameters that they have to you

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know like they have to have the physical

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skin supposedly to be able to ship them

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to the beach so you have to have the

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skin of the wolf the skin of the sheep

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before you become that creature that's

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right or genetic material as well

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obviously you're not gonna take the skin

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of an enemy and become that enemy nail

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clippings hair urine on the ground these

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are the types of substances that are

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utilized by skin walkers and if I may

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add David to another thing that skin

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walkers are allegedly able to do is if

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you lock eyes with one as the you know

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the tradition goes there if they want to

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they can jump inside you and take over

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your motor functions your consciousness

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is totally alive but you lose all

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ability to to move and speak and the

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skinwalker does all that for you which

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sounds like probably some people's worst

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nightmare so continue one thing that we

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should add David to is that the Sherman

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Ranch is a taboo area to the youth in

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other words they're not allowed to go

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there so you know it stands to reason

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why not sell it to the white man and

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make make some money but this this ranch

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is located right smack in the middle of

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the mountain ute reservation yeah and I

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you know seems to be sort of whoa

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one of the may be the center point of

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the activity in this region I mean I've

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investigated a lot of other areas away

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from the ranch and it seems and I

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believe that over the last several years

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this whatever you wanna call it where

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you refer to it as a portal you know

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just a region of strange phenomena I

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believe that it's grown a bit over the

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last ten to fifteen years and you know

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we're seeing more activity in other

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regions within the viewing the basin for

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instance you know there's dry fourth

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Canyon with some of the listenings may

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have heard of it's just very strange

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areas more of a Bernal there's a park

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within the within the canyon and there's

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it lies within the National Forest I

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believe that's the ash the Ashland

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National Forest and dry floor Canyon is

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you know their number of stories of

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weird encounters timeloss there were a

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pair of suicides about I think about ten

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years ago that were very odd to two men

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about six months apart walked in through

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the canyon walked up on the cliff took

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their clothing off and folded it into a

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neat pile and then left off the grip now

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this happened in two separate men six

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months apart that did the exact same

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thing

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and you know the authorities later found

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out that these two guys had dated the

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same woman who was a known nut dealer in

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the area but nobody really had any

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explanation for the weird behavior and

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the cases just sort of went away but you

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know that's not the only thing that's

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happening we came there reports of

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sasquatch-like creatures in that region

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there are reports of some type of

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humanoid figures akin to some people

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describe them like the grey aliens or

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you know some people say that they're

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more like the classical little people of

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European mythology now in terms of these

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cases are these just people who report

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these things do they have any evidence

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in terms of samples footprints

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pictures anything were solid and

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eyewitness testimony there hasn't been a

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whole lot in in draft will change that

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I'm aware of as far as being a physical

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evidence I have seen a number of

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footprints castings of footprints of

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sasquatch-like creatures in the area

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I've seen a couple of photographs of

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very very large wolf tracks that you

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know appear to be a wolf-like creature

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walking by people so so I could say I'm

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Chaney jr. is the wolf man yeah well

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some people you know some people were

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infer to these creatures as the dog man

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which is something that recently I just

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spent some time in southern Utah

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recently and met with some Native

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Americans who had relatives that lives

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up and we were the basin and they gave

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me a pretty fascinating story about

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essentially a dog man fighting in a

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Roosevelt area so like a man with the

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face of a dog yeah it's a bipedal

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creature that appears that we have

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candid features unless Errol sort of

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what like the TV show Grimm where all

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these people suddenly change their faces

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to look like some kind of hideous animal

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essentially yeah yeah David I love the

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story and hunt of the skinwalker where

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this dog man type creature or something

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similar to it was was spotted and it was

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observed standing I think against

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leaning against you to a tree smoking a

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cigarette if I remember correctly are

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you sure it was a regular cigarette not

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621
00:27:15,730 --> 00:27:14,020
to the parity with gene and Chris here

622
00:27:18,130 --> 00:27:15,740
in the power cast we've been talking a

623
00:27:20,380 --> 00:27:18,140
lot with David Weatherly Ryan Skinner is

624
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:20,390
also with us a fellow investigator we'll

625
00:27:24,790 --> 00:27:22,640
have more to say momentarily Chris he

626
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:24,800
was spelling out a scenario there that I

627
00:27:30,220 --> 00:27:26,960
interrupted you for because the

628
00:27:32,830 --> 00:27:30,230
creatures who run those commercial carts

629
00:27:36,850 --> 00:27:32,840
have to have their say well we've had

630
00:27:39,100 --> 00:27:36,860
actually some fairly recent rumors if

631
00:27:42,250 --> 00:27:39,110
you will stories fairly well-established

632
00:27:44,050 --> 00:27:42,260
quite a number of witnesses have been

633
00:27:46,780 --> 00:27:44,060
involved in a number of these dog man's

634
00:27:49,900 --> 00:27:46,790
sighting including one instance where

635
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this creature was seen to leap between

636
00:27:55,210 --> 00:27:52,670
houses was on the rooftops and it was

637
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:55,220
actually leaping 20 25 feet between

638
00:28:01,450 --> 00:27:58,010
houses oh I hate to say this leap one

639
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house with a single bound or from one

640
00:28:06,130 --> 00:28:03,860
roof to another roof you know we were

641
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:06,140
hoping our mystery guests might might

642
00:28:10,930 --> 00:28:08,690
put a little bit more light on on this

643
00:28:12,730 --> 00:28:10,940
particular subject but but you know it

644
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:12,740
this is very difficult now no we have to

645
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:14,330
remember that knits the National

646
00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:16,010
Institute of discovery scientist has

647
00:28:21,130 --> 00:28:18,080
been on the ranch almost 16 years or

648
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:21,140
just over 16 years and except for the

649
00:28:26,020 --> 00:28:23,570
book hunt for the skinwalker that we

650
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:26,030
haven't seen the investigative community

651
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:29,410
has not seen any data any sorts of

652
00:28:33,790 --> 00:28:32,210
Revelations from knids about what is

653
00:28:37,030 --> 00:28:33,800
going on on the ranch what they have

654
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:37,040
personally witnessed up there the kind

655
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:38,960
of data that they've collected none of

656
00:28:43,390 --> 00:28:41,450
these things have come out so we were

657
00:28:46,930 --> 00:28:43,400
basing a lot of what we're talking about

658
00:28:50,290 --> 00:28:46,940
on qualified leads you know in some

659
00:28:52,300 --> 00:28:50,300
sense personal testimony secondhand

660
00:28:54,220 --> 00:28:52,310
testimony law enforcement in the area

661
00:28:57,490 --> 00:28:54,230
has been involved in a number of cases

662
00:29:00,700 --> 00:28:57,500
as David will probably talk about here

663
00:29:04,650 --> 00:29:00,710
later but this is some pretty compelling

664
00:29:06,730 --> 00:29:04,660
stuff here the variety and intensity of

665
00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:06,740
unusual phenomena that have been

666
00:29:10,540 --> 00:29:08,720
reported in this area I think are

667
00:29:11,980 --> 00:29:10,550
unrivaled anywhere except maybe a place

668
00:29:13,250 --> 00:29:11,990
like like you mentioned David this Ann

669
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:13,260
Lewis Valley or

670
00:29:18,110 --> 00:29:15,810
or a few other places what about the

671
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:18,120
Native American tradition as it relates

672
00:29:23,150 --> 00:29:20,370
to to the ranch what what has your

673
00:29:25,070 --> 00:29:23,160
research found well as quite a few

674
00:29:28,850 --> 00:29:25,080
aspects of that one is as you say that

675
00:29:30,980 --> 00:29:28,860
earlier Christmas is a to do area for

676
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:30,990
the Native Americans so it's very

677
00:29:35,710 --> 00:29:32,880
possible they did intentionally unloaded

678
00:29:38,420 --> 00:29:35,720
on the way and some of that goes back to

679
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:38,430
the conflict between the Utes and the

680
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:41,130
Navajos and by the way I want you to

681
00:29:44,420 --> 00:29:42,960
explain the name of that Indian and

682
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:44,430
again because people listen to that they

683
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:45,450
think you're from Brooklyn you're

684
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:49,440
talking about Utes I'm serious

685
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:53,370
you just spell ute it is the Native

686
00:29:58,550 --> 00:29:55,890
American tribe that lived in that region

687
00:30:00,830 --> 00:29:58,560
well before the white settlers and it's

688
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:00,840
actually where you tall derived its name

689
00:30:05,030 --> 00:30:03,120
and it's from that try

690
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:05,040
there are several branches of the uses

691
00:30:09,470 --> 00:30:07,770
in northern means the settings and some

692
00:30:12,410 --> 00:30:09,480
of them have slightly different names

693
00:30:15,860 --> 00:30:12,420
but they're all all related to the ute

694
00:30:18,380 --> 00:30:15,870
ute drive and one thing we must also

695
00:30:21,050 --> 00:30:18,390
note is the Utes were nomadic people

696
00:30:23,380 --> 00:30:21,060
they ranged throughout the whole Four

697
00:30:26,690 --> 00:30:23,390
Corners region north of four corners and

698
00:30:29,660 --> 00:30:26,700
they they weren't settled in pueblos

699
00:30:31,610 --> 00:30:29,670
like let's say the Zuni or the Hopi they

700
00:30:34,910 --> 00:30:31,620
had a vast range that went from

701
00:30:37,370 --> 00:30:34,920
California almost to the Midwest and

702
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:37,380
then from around the FIB around the Four

703
00:30:40,850 --> 00:30:39,090
Corners region north all the way up

704
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:40,860
through Utah parts of Colorado

705
00:30:45,140 --> 00:30:43,410
they've been obviously in the last

706
00:30:47,780 --> 00:30:45,150
hundred years they've been sort of

707
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:47,790
relegated to a series of reservations

708
00:30:52,030 --> 00:30:49,890
that are actually widely spaced apart

709
00:30:54,890 --> 00:30:52,040
there's the southern Utes and

710
00:30:55,250 --> 00:30:54,900
southwestern Colorado and the mountain

711
00:30:57,820 --> 00:30:55,260
Utes

712
00:31:00,890 --> 00:30:57,830
who our North up in the Uintah Basin and

713
00:31:04,610 --> 00:31:00,900
and these people you know they're stuck

714
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:04,620
now in on these reservations but they

715
00:31:10,820 --> 00:31:08,130
used to be nomadic yeah that's a good

716
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:10,830
point person I also would add not that I

717
00:31:14,300 --> 00:31:12,000
want to go into a whole lot of history

718
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:14,310
lesson but there's something unique

719
00:31:17,780 --> 00:31:16,320
about the Utes that I found worked but

720
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:17,790
not a lot of Native American people

721
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:20,850
around the country and one curious thing

722
00:31:25,370 --> 00:31:22,530
is story about the Utes word that they

723
00:31:27,810 --> 00:31:25,380
often would ally themselves with

724
00:31:30,660 --> 00:31:27,820
against other Native American tribes for

725
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:30,670
instance as I stated earlier they doing

726
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:33,490
with the Americans against the Navajo

727
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:36,130
when that conflict is going on

728
00:31:40,020 --> 00:31:38,290
they also banded together with the

729
00:31:42,570 --> 00:31:40,030
Mormons when the Mormons were in

730
00:31:45,210 --> 00:31:42,580
conflict against the US government so

731
00:31:47,330 --> 00:31:45,220
you know I think it just adds a little

732
00:31:50,010 --> 00:31:47,340
bit of a different aspect to the whole

733
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:50,020
cultural mix in Utah it's always unique

734
00:31:54,930 --> 00:31:52,810
anyway because of the native tribes and

735
00:31:58,050 --> 00:31:54,940
you know the the Mormons sort of had

736
00:32:00,750 --> 00:31:58,060
their own almost around culture and it

737
00:32:04,380 --> 00:32:00,760
really blended into the whole mystique

738
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:04,390
of the area and the unusual atmosphere

739
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:06,130
and inner relations between all those

740
00:32:11,130 --> 00:32:08,080
peoples you know when you start looking

741
00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:11,140
at this region I mean we haven't even

742
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:13,600
talked about the sightings of the little

743
00:32:17,220 --> 00:32:15,730
people really in this in the UM debates

744
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:17,230
in which is something that fascinates me

745
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:19,570
and I mean we're we're talking what a

746
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:21,130
lot of people commonly refer to this

747
00:32:25,020 --> 00:32:23,200
varies you know most people who say that

748
00:32:27,690 --> 00:32:25,030
word they immediately think of the

749
00:32:30,690 --> 00:32:27,700
Celtic lands Ireland Scotland a lot of

750
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:30,700
people don't realize that North America

751
00:32:36,930 --> 00:32:33,850
the native tribes have a lot of may try

752
00:32:40,890 --> 00:32:36,940
sub traditions of these small little

753
00:32:44,370 --> 00:32:40,900
beans that live sometimes in caves

754
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:44,380
sometimes up in the mountains and let me

755
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:46,450
start examining that mythology it's very

756
00:32:51,390 --> 00:32:49,570
similar to your kin mythology of little

757
00:32:54,150 --> 00:32:51,400
people you know they're often spotted

758
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:54,160
dancing in circles they supposedly will

759
00:32:57,810 --> 00:32:57,250
play music to lure people into their

760
00:33:01,260 --> 00:32:57,820
area

761
00:33:03,930 --> 00:33:01,270
they're very mischievous and there are

762
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:03,940
modern stories of people sighting these

763
00:33:10,580 --> 00:33:07,690
diminutive people in the nation it

764
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:10,590
sounds to me like American leprechauns

765
00:33:15,690 --> 00:33:13,810
yeah yeah well if you go to Dulce Jean

766
00:33:20,610 --> 00:33:15,700
for instance one of the most commonly

767
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:20,620
seen and one of the least talked about

768
00:33:24,930 --> 00:33:22,720
phenomenal events that happen up there

769
00:33:26,820 --> 00:33:24,940
are sightings of small hairy dwarves

770
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:26,830
that have even been seen jumping from

771
00:33:31,530 --> 00:33:28,810
car to car in the casino parking lot at

772
00:33:34,890 --> 00:33:31,540
one point you know this this is an area

773
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:34,900
of cryptozoology if you will or a

774
00:33:38,460 --> 00:33:36,880
paranormal investigation that that

775
00:33:40,830 --> 00:33:38,470
really doesn't get very

776
00:33:43,260 --> 00:33:40,840
much mention out there in the media a

777
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:43,270
lot of investigators don't want to talk

778
00:33:47,850 --> 00:33:45,370
about reports that they get of this kind

779
00:33:51,899 --> 00:33:47,860
but in the San Luis Valley I mean I've

780
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:51,909
had leprechaun reports to within we can

781
00:33:55,980 --> 00:33:53,770
have two-week period and also trooping

782
00:33:58,350 --> 00:33:55,990
fairies a group of seven eight nine

783
00:34:00,600 --> 00:33:58,360
faeries trooping across the guys studio

784
00:34:03,090 --> 00:34:00,610
floor and before they went through the

785
00:34:06,090 --> 00:34:03,100
wall like it wasn't there the last one

786
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:06,100
turned around and gave the the owner of

787
00:34:10,260 --> 00:34:08,290
the studio a dirty look before he

788
00:34:12,450 --> 00:34:10,270
disappeared through the wall so go

789
00:34:15,149 --> 00:34:12,460
figure there's a lot of talk to these

790
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:15,159
creatures ever interact with humans or

791
00:34:19,619 --> 00:34:17,169
what I've never had a report of one

792
00:34:24,659 --> 00:34:19,629
interact and except you know a dirty

793
00:34:26,879 --> 00:34:24,669
look they don't like our politics should

794
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:26,889
they don't like our TV shows well he got

795
00:34:30,899 --> 00:34:29,169
away TV shows portray them well he got

796
00:34:33,330 --> 00:34:30,909
the impression that the that they were

797
00:34:35,609 --> 00:34:33,340
just on their you know their regular

798
00:34:36,810 --> 00:34:35,619
path and the studio had been built in

799
00:34:38,669 --> 00:34:36,820
the way and they had to kind of go

800
00:34:40,109 --> 00:34:38,679
through it it was almost like you know

801
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:40,119
you're making us go through walls you

802
00:34:43,619 --> 00:34:41,770
know how dare you that was the kind of

803
00:34:45,930 --> 00:34:43,629
impression he got encroaching on their

804
00:34:47,579 --> 00:34:45,940
territory that usually seems to be the

805
00:34:49,919 --> 00:34:47,589
case with those types of sightings uh

806
00:34:52,980 --> 00:34:49,929
the only place you know there's a region

807
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:52,990
in the Northeast Massachusetts where

808
00:34:57,690 --> 00:34:55,210
these hear a lot of tales about the puck

809
00:35:00,570 --> 00:34:57,700
Wizards and these are little people that

810
00:35:02,070 --> 00:35:00,580
are very trickster like and you know

811
00:35:04,370 --> 00:35:02,080
occasionally you'll get reports from

812
00:35:07,410 --> 00:35:04,380
that region of these things interacting

813
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:07,420
with humans but it easily has presence

814
00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:09,970
in all the areas I have found it always

815
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:13,089
seems as if these little people are just

816
00:35:17,339 --> 00:35:15,490
offended that you know the that we've

817
00:35:18,510 --> 00:35:17,349
intruded into their space or we've

818
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:18,520
interrupted something

819
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:20,530
and their sightings in the basin where

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people have it was a group of tempers

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that you know we people witness this

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dare you he's dropping and they were

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the leprechaun the lament of the little

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spent quite a bit of time up there in

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the in the last few years have you

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encountered any reports of diminutive

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humanoid types I've come across report

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yeah and plate interaction with humans

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pretty similar to what Dave's talking

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about one of there's a couple different

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the local natives was telling me a story

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believe me with gene and Chris on the

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961
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roundtable about that unusual region of

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Utah our guests include investigators

963
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David Weatherly and Ryan Skinner and

964
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Ryan you started tell us a story about

965
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what someone told you happened when he

966
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was a child

967
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yeah I was speaking with one of the

968
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local natives and he told me as a as a

969
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child he was outside playing and he was

970
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pretty surprised and as he came across a

971
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group of what he described is he didn't

972
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scare them as little people or aliens he

973
00:41:50,829 --> 00:41:48,259
described him as a proper term but

974
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midgets is what he used to me and he

975
00:41:53,709 --> 00:41:52,369
said there was a group of about four or

976
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five of them and they were kind of

977
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dancing around real jovial and they

978
00:42:00,370 --> 00:41:59,210
didn't speak they spoke a language but

979
00:42:03,489 --> 00:42:00,380
he couldn't understand what the language

980
00:42:06,940 --> 00:42:03,499
was and they invited him over and play

981
00:42:09,009 --> 00:42:06,950
with them so they spoon language they

982
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:09,019
were speaking a language but it was

983
00:42:13,870 --> 00:42:11,440
unfamiliar throughout the witness okay

984
00:42:15,910 --> 00:42:13,880
yes he came over to play with them his

985
00:42:17,709 --> 00:42:15,920
father came outside and recognized what

986
00:42:20,769 --> 00:42:17,719
was happening and apparently this is

987
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:20,779
familiar to some of the natives and

988
00:42:24,999 --> 00:42:23,210
pulled him away crumbly from from

989
00:42:26,559 --> 00:42:25,009
participating in whatever function they

990
00:42:28,420 --> 00:42:26,569
were doing now it's an interesting

991
00:42:30,969 --> 00:42:28,430
question that I kind of think is

992
00:42:32,769 --> 00:42:30,979
implicit of what you said is it just a

993
00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:32,779
father's concern or do these little

994
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creatures have a habit of taking people

995
00:42:39,999 --> 00:42:36,710
away with them you know I can answer

996
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:40,009
that one Dean because uh Ryan Terry Ryan

997
00:42:45,519 --> 00:42:42,410
story is very interesting in that part

998
00:42:49,529 --> 00:42:45,529
of the lore of these little people in

999
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that region is that they will take away

1000
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unattended children

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good tell me that yeah yes a laundry

1002
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truck it definitely fits in with that

1003
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:00,829
that's all I know the story it ended at

1004
00:43:04,979 --> 00:43:03,410
that point they left are there any other

1005
00:43:07,089 --> 00:43:04,989
similar stories guess whose mother

1006
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father was really concerned about oh

1007
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it's similar to what Dave was saying

1008
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that

1009
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this wasn't necessarily not necessarily

1010
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a positive experience more of a concern

1011
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for his father there's hope we saw also

1012
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report that there's these ant mounds out

1013
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there and they're shaped like ant mounds

1014
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and they clean that smoke comes from

1015
00:43:32,559 --> 00:43:28,180
some of these and they avoid them I

1016
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don't quite understand how how this all

1017
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comes together but these mounds are

1018
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supposedly the homes or the portals to

1019
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where these little people reside in so

1020
00:43:45,579 --> 00:43:42,650
on my own adventures and escapades out

1021
00:43:48,489 --> 00:43:45,589
there I myself try to steer clear of

1022
00:43:50,559 --> 00:43:48,499
some of these and they are out there I'm

1023
00:43:51,700 --> 00:43:50,569
not sure what they're the version I've

1024
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heard of that is that these little

1025
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people live underground and that those

1026
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formations are essentially like a

1027
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chimney for their homes underground

1028
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let's start digging gene oh yes you know

1029
00:44:10,210 --> 00:44:06,650
Chris I think we should raise this point

1030
00:44:12,910 --> 00:44:10,220
the fact that the property over there is

1031
00:44:15,339 --> 00:44:12,920
owned by Bob Bigelow that kind of means

1032
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that information goes in but doesn't go

1033
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out

1034
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isn't that an understatement you know I

1035
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:22,730
I might be partially responsible for

1036
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:27,130
that when when I went up oh yeah

1037
00:44:31,989 --> 00:44:30,170
unfortunately I was asked by Zak Vanek

1038
00:44:34,660 --> 00:44:31,999
the writer of the original story that

1039
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exposed the case to the world back in

1040
00:44:40,420 --> 00:44:38,690
July 96 he as the story was getting

1041
00:44:43,210 --> 00:44:40,430
ready to come out he asked me to contact

1042
00:44:44,859 --> 00:44:43,220
Terry Sherman and try to help him out

1043
00:44:46,839 --> 00:44:44,869
the guy really needed to talk to

1044
00:44:48,430 --> 00:44:46,849
somebody that had some sort of

1045
00:44:50,019 --> 00:44:48,440
experience dealing with these types of

1046
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phenomenal events and we're talking

1047
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crypto creatures UFOs cattle mutilations

1048
00:45:00,130 --> 00:44:56,180
weird just weirdness off the scale and

1049
00:45:02,349 --> 00:45:00,140
so I took you know the 450 mile trip up

1050
00:45:05,319 --> 00:45:02,359
there and you know spent an afternoon

1051
00:45:08,109 --> 00:45:05,329
with him and one of the things that it

1052
00:45:12,130 --> 00:45:08,119
that really struck me was his sincerity

1053
00:45:14,319 --> 00:45:12,140
the guy was just came across like a you

1054
00:45:17,710 --> 00:45:14,329
know true blue salt of the earth kind of

1055
00:45:20,349 --> 00:45:17,720
guy he actually downplayed some of the

1056
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:20,359
experiences I think to me he was

1057
00:45:25,470 --> 00:45:23,119
embarrassed he was kind of aw shucks

1058
00:45:27,609 --> 00:45:25,480
about it and it really struck me as

1059
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being very

1060
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very forthright and honest and you know

1061
00:45:34,100 --> 00:45:32,700
he said at one point before I was

1062
00:45:35,660 --> 00:45:34,110
getting ready to leave he said look you

1063
00:45:38,090 --> 00:45:35,670
know I'm not sure if I you know I'm

1064
00:45:39,830 --> 00:45:38,100
afraid for my family I'm afraid for

1065
00:45:41,210 --> 00:45:39,840
their safety and I'd really like to sell

1066
00:45:42,530 --> 00:45:41,220
this place but I don't know if I could

1067
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:42,540
sell it do you know anybody that would

1068
00:45:46,370 --> 00:45:45,090
buy a place like this and I said there's

1069
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:46,380
only two people I know Lawrence

1070
00:45:51,830 --> 00:45:48,480
Rockefeller and this guy Robert Bigelow

1071
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:51,840
and I went ahead and gave him the phone

1072
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:55,010
numbers for these two gentlemen and

1073
00:45:59,450 --> 00:45:57,810
before he had a chance to call he I

1074
00:46:01,520 --> 00:45:59,460
think he called Rockefeller if I'm not

1075
00:46:03,470 --> 00:46:01,530
mistaken if I remember correctly was

1076
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:03,480
unable to get through to him but before

1077
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:05,130
he was able to call Bigelow Bigelow

1078
00:46:08,930 --> 00:46:07,050
called him because he had seen the

1079
00:46:11,300 --> 00:46:08,940
article come you know they came out in

1080
00:46:14,210 --> 00:46:11,310
the Deseret News and instantly swooped

1081
00:46:16,730 --> 00:46:14,220
in on the on the the whole affair and

1082
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:16,740
ended up you know making him an offer

1083
00:46:21,470 --> 00:46:19,650
that Terry couldn't refuse everybody had

1084
00:46:23,570 --> 00:46:21,480
to sign non-disclosure agreements

1085
00:46:27,580 --> 00:46:23,580
anybody that has anything to do with

1086
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:27,590
knids and that ranch is sworn to secrecy

1087
00:46:34,340 --> 00:46:31,530
it's it's a black hole where nothing

1088
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:34,350
comes out basically not even light the

1089
00:46:37,849 --> 00:46:36,480
fact that you know comb Kelleher and

1090
00:46:40,670 --> 00:46:37,859
George Knapp were able to write a book

1091
00:46:42,830 --> 00:46:40,680
and get a few you know important points

1092
00:46:45,650 --> 00:46:42,840
wrong in terms of dates and times of

1093
00:46:48,050 --> 00:46:45,660
events more specific about what's wrong

1094
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:48,060
so our listeners understand well one of

1095
00:46:53,900 --> 00:46:51,330
the most amazing events had happened on

1096
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:53,910
that ranch I happened to be on the phone

1097
00:46:57,410 --> 00:46:55,890
with Terry when the event occurred I

1098
00:47:01,630 --> 00:46:57,420
literally was talking to him on the

1099
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:01,640
phone and he was describing these blue

1100
00:47:07,370 --> 00:47:05,250
grapefruit-sized glowing orbs that were

1101
00:47:09,380 --> 00:47:07,380
no one was flying around his Corral

1102
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:09,390
outside of his house he was watching it

1103
00:47:13,220 --> 00:47:11,520
as he was talking to me it checked out

1104
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:13,230
his horses then it went and checked out

1105
00:47:20,690 --> 00:47:16,170
his wife and he kind of freaked out it

1106
00:47:22,070 --> 00:47:20,700
flew up and around by his by the farm

1107
00:47:24,020 --> 00:47:22,080
light that was there all the lights

1108
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:24,030
dimmed and then it took off into the

1109
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:27,090
woods and his his ranch dogs you know

1110
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:29,210
who were very alert during this whole

1111
00:47:34,580 --> 00:47:33,210
sequence of events just couldn't contain

1112
00:47:36,830 --> 00:47:34,590
themselves and they went chasing after

1113
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:36,840
it out into the woods there were a

1114
00:47:41,380 --> 00:47:39,170
couple three hundred yards away

1115
00:47:43,299 --> 00:47:41,390
and Terry said look my dogs just took

1116
00:47:46,180 --> 00:47:43,309
off I gotta call you back and he hung up

1117
00:47:49,530 --> 00:47:46,190
and I think the next day when I talked

1118
00:47:52,630 --> 00:47:49,540
to him he said he had gone out and found

1119
00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:52,640
what he described as three grease piles

1120
00:47:58,569 --> 00:47:56,089
where his dogs had been melted by some

1121
00:48:00,670 --> 00:47:58,579
sort of energy now when you read the

1122
00:48:02,530 --> 00:48:00,680
account in hunt for the skinwalker I

1123
00:48:03,819 --> 00:48:02,540
think and I don't have the book in front

1124
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:03,829
of me but I think they claim that this

1125
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:07,040
happened in April of 95 and according to

1126
00:48:10,990 --> 00:48:09,440
my my database and my my you know

1127
00:48:16,270 --> 00:48:11,000
investigative log this happened in

1128
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:16,280
August of 96 so it just it just kind of

1129
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:19,520
brings up a bit of a question in my mind

1130
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:21,890
about how accurate some of the data is

1131
00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:25,040
in the book I know a George very well

1132
00:48:31,359 --> 00:48:27,920
for years I've talked in loosely worked

1133
00:48:34,359 --> 00:48:31,369
with column as well and I do trust these

1134
00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:34,369
guys but I just wonder why there were

1135
00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:36,049
only four people named in the book on

1136
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:38,089
the record why there's no photographs no

1137
00:48:43,450 --> 00:48:42,079
no data presented no information that we

1138
00:48:46,990 --> 00:48:43,460
can sink our teeth into

1139
00:48:49,089 --> 00:48:47,000
except for fairly frightening stories so

1140
00:48:51,339 --> 00:48:49,099
in answer to your question I have a

1141
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:51,349
comment on that this is Ryan what

1142
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:53,119
concerns me is at the end of the book

1143
00:48:58,180 --> 00:48:55,130
that kind of make the point that the

1144
00:49:01,299 --> 00:48:58,190
case is closed the activity is rowing to

1145
00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:01,309
an end and had to move on you know the

1146
00:49:08,460 --> 00:49:03,680
needs have moved on and that the

1147
00:49:12,789 --> 00:49:08,470
investigation just had stopped yeah

1148
00:49:15,609 --> 00:49:12,799
where I played the investigation the

1149
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:15,619
phenomena by no means has uh has stopped

1150
00:49:21,609 --> 00:49:18,170
perhaps it's not as active as it was at

1151
00:49:23,410 --> 00:49:21,619
that exact time but we me and other

1152
00:49:26,829 --> 00:49:23,420
researchers have found quite the

1153
00:49:29,020 --> 00:49:26,839
opposite also there's just a whirlwind

1154
00:49:32,109 --> 00:49:29,030
of different myths surrounding the ranch

1155
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:32,119
based on based on the book and I kind of

1156
00:49:35,559 --> 00:49:33,440
highlighted a few of them I don't know

1157
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:35,569
if you want to go into anything very

1158
00:49:38,319 --> 00:49:37,130
well why'd you go through a couple we

1159
00:49:39,970 --> 00:49:38,329
have about a minute left for this

1160
00:49:41,500 --> 00:49:39,980
segment but why did you go through all

1161
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:41,510
those some now and then we'll go in our

1162
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:43,490
next segment with some more I'll just

1163
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:44,720
highlight a couple of these and

1164
00:49:48,220 --> 00:49:46,640
whichever ones you'd like to discuss I

1165
00:49:50,289 --> 00:49:48,230
had a little bit of input and I'm

1166
00:49:52,510 --> 00:49:50,299
curious myself on some other other ones

1167
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:52,520
there's one big myth is that there's

1168
00:49:55,359 --> 00:49:52,970
them

1169
00:49:57,550 --> 00:49:55,369
Masonic Masonic symbol that's patched

1170
00:49:58,270 --> 00:49:57,560
into somewhere on skinwalker Ridge or on

1171
00:50:00,550 --> 00:49:58,280
the property

1172
00:50:02,260 --> 00:50:00,560
another is that the paranormal activity

1173
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:02,270
of the dead spirits of the Buffalo

1174
00:50:06,460 --> 00:50:04,130
Soldiers which is a whole separate topic

1175
00:50:11,310 --> 00:50:06,470
who were in the area at that time

1176
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:11,320
supposedly fighting the youth let's see

1177
00:50:15,099 --> 00:50:13,490
you can't dig on the property that

1178
00:50:17,140 --> 00:50:15,109
there's uh there was a closet you can't

1179
00:50:18,550 --> 00:50:17,150
dig on the property and that was must be

1180
00:50:23,740 --> 00:50:18,560
because there's an underground base or

1181
00:50:25,570 --> 00:50:23,750
some other reason is not something that

1182
00:50:30,220 --> 00:50:25,580
we take seriously it's just what people

1183
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:30,230
are saying in the book perpetuated some

1184
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:32,330
of these that haven't gone answered and

1185
00:50:36,550 --> 00:50:34,130
Frank's Aylesbury himself has addressed

1186
00:50:39,330 --> 00:50:36,560
some of these and new information I

1187
00:50:42,130 --> 00:50:39,340
found has disputed some of his findings

1188
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:42,140
see that there's a Indian burial ground

1189
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:45,920
on top of the ridge some of these oak

1190
00:50:51,790 --> 00:50:49,280
trees some uh jr. Hicks the local

1191
00:50:53,710 --> 00:50:51,800
historian in Roosevelt and a school

1192
00:50:56,890 --> 00:50:53,720
teacher who's collaborated some of these

1193
00:50:58,359 --> 00:50:56,900
stories for years and years prior to the

1194
00:51:02,470 --> 00:50:58,369
story coming out preparing skinwalker

1195
00:51:05,500 --> 00:51:02,480
ranch claims that he found rods butyl

1196
00:51:08,050 --> 00:51:05,510
rods or something from apparently from a

1197
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:08,060
close encounter after a cattle

1198
00:51:14,109 --> 00:51:10,640
mutilation another interesting story

1199
00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:14,119
that the basin is home to the only

1200
00:51:18,250 --> 00:51:15,680
deposit of guilts and I've known in the

1201
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:18,260
world I'll tell you into more myths and

1202
00:51:23,890 --> 00:51:20,930
realities we have Ryan Skinner we also

1203
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:23,900
have David Weatherly and we'll have a

1204
00:51:28,210 --> 00:51:25,520
special guest joining us just a little

1205
00:51:30,190 --> 00:51:28,220
bit later with gene and Chris in the

1206
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:30,200
para cast

1207
00:51:41,240 --> 00:51:39,020
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1208
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1211
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1212
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1225
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1226
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1227
00:52:23,220 --> 00:52:21,220
Anderson have you ever wondered why

1228
00:52:25,170 --> 00:52:23,230
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1229
00:52:27,540 --> 00:52:25,180
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1230
00:52:29,250 --> 00:52:27,550
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1231
00:52:30,930 --> 00:52:29,260
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1232
00:52:33,150 --> 00:52:30,940
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1233
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:33,160
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1234
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:34,960
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1235
00:52:47,490 --> 00:53:07,980
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1236
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1238
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1239
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1240
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1241
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1242
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1243
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1244
00:53:26,310 --> 00:53:24,070
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1245
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1246
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1247
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1248
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1249
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:37,630
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1250
00:53:44,910 --> 00:53:42,370
calm or call toll-free 866 3 6 9 3 6 7 8

1251
00:53:47,610 --> 00:53:44,920
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1252
00:53:49,180 --> 00:53:47,620
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1253
00:53:55,279 --> 00:53:49,190
probiotic

1254
00:54:03,349 --> 00:53:59,009
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1255
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:03,359
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1256
00:54:12,989 --> 00:54:10,930
here's Jane Steinberg we continue with

1257
00:54:14,459 --> 00:54:12,999
Jean and Chris in the power cast we're

1258
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:14,469
hunting for the skinwalker in a

1259
00:54:17,789 --> 00:54:16,930
different way with David Weatherly and

1260
00:54:19,529 --> 00:54:17,799
Ryan Skinner

1261
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:19,539
we're not withholding information we're

1262
00:54:24,569 --> 00:54:21,729
presenting what we know any more myths

1263
00:54:27,569 --> 00:54:24,579
before we move on previously go through

1264
00:54:30,029 --> 00:54:27,579
a few more of these yet the see that the

1265
00:54:32,069 --> 00:54:30,039
basin is these aren't necessarily myths

1266
00:54:34,950 --> 00:54:32,079
but they're interesting topics that are

1267
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:34,960
highly disputed that the basin is the is

1268
00:54:39,359 --> 00:54:36,729
the highest amount of pollution the ice

1269
00:54:41,099 --> 00:54:39,369
mop ozone in the entire world the second

1270
00:54:43,229 --> 00:54:41,109
highest amount in the entire world that

1271
00:54:45,509 --> 00:54:43,239
occurs right there on the basin and the

1272
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:45,519
ranch is right in the center of it but a

1273
00:54:48,180 --> 00:54:47,650
member of the neat scheme was killed on

1274
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:48,190
the ranch

1275
00:54:54,599 --> 00:54:51,119
finally the four proof wolf was this

1276
00:54:57,299 --> 00:54:54,609
disputed believe that story was disputed

1277
00:54:59,069 --> 00:54:57,309
by xoring cells like Iran i'ma and and

1278
00:55:01,559 --> 00:54:59,079
what concerns me the most as an

1279
00:55:03,660 --> 00:55:01,569
investigator that uh and the myth I wish

1280
00:55:09,569 --> 00:55:03,670
dispel them all most things that the

1281
00:55:11,130 --> 00:55:09,579
ranch is no longer active one of the

1282
00:55:12,630 --> 00:55:11,140
things we're gonna do is we progress we

1283
00:55:14,969 --> 00:55:12,640
have loads of questions from our

1284
00:55:18,599 --> 00:55:14,979
listeners at four I'm not preparing cast

1285
00:55:19,859 --> 00:55:18,609
calm and Chris maybe as we progress here

1286
00:55:21,569 --> 00:55:19,869
why don't you look through the questions

1287
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:21,579
to see if things are relevant to the

1288
00:55:25,380 --> 00:55:23,920
topics that we want to discuss let me

1289
00:55:26,910 --> 00:55:25,390
ask you the outside question because

1290
00:55:29,519 --> 00:55:26,920
this is the one that weighs heavily on

1291
00:55:31,309 --> 00:55:29,529
people interested in my foes we have

1292
00:55:35,519 --> 00:55:31,319
lots of UFO cases in that region

1293
00:55:37,489 --> 00:55:35,529
absolutely even even recently you know

1294
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:37,499
occasionally we'll do these reports of

1295
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:42,640
UFOs diving into bottle hollow reservoir

1296
00:55:48,509 --> 00:55:45,130
you know they're constantly reports of

1297
00:55:52,130 --> 00:55:48,519
strange lights in the sky triangle shape

1298
00:55:55,259 --> 00:55:52,140
yuppers and of course the in a lot of

1299
00:55:57,029 --> 00:55:55,269
reports in their own the ranch itself or

1300
00:56:00,359 --> 00:55:57,039
from the ranch area itself is Ryan

1301
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:00,369
compelling talk about for that reason

1302
00:56:05,789 --> 00:56:01,930
Ryan and I had a pretty interesting

1303
00:56:08,309 --> 00:56:05,799
sighting in October which when you look

1304
00:56:09,690 --> 00:56:08,319
at the width and breadth and scope of

1305
00:56:11,730 --> 00:56:09,700
the sightings that have occurred there I

1306
00:56:13,259 --> 00:56:11,740
mean it was you know was nothing really

1307
00:56:14,940 --> 00:56:13,269
to write home about but it was

1308
00:56:17,450 --> 00:56:14,950
interesting that they were able to catch

1309
00:56:19,319 --> 00:56:17,460
it on camera why don't you give us some

1310
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:19,329
blow-by-blow accounts that you

1311
00:56:23,849 --> 00:56:21,490
personally experienced Ryan one of the

1312
00:56:26,489 --> 00:56:23,859
first times I came out to the ranch this

1313
00:56:29,370 --> 00:56:26,499
was really what I got me to sink my

1314
00:56:31,769 --> 00:56:29,380
teeth into for this hot spot over any

1315
00:56:35,069 --> 00:56:31,779
other place I've ever investigated was

1316
00:56:38,940 --> 00:56:35,079
uh as we were driving out to a main

1317
00:56:40,349 --> 00:56:38,950
location near the ranch we began to sit

1318
00:56:43,739 --> 00:56:40,359
up me and a few other investigators

1319
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:43,749
began to set up camp and the light or

1320
00:56:50,339 --> 00:56:47,170
the the moon said to come up some went

1321
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:50,349
down and up and right about that point

1322
00:56:54,509 --> 00:56:52,450
when you didn't eerie feeling the

1323
00:56:58,650 --> 00:56:54,519
placement the base in general just gives

1324
00:57:00,839 --> 00:56:58,660
a neat vibe to it but as we're settling

1325
00:57:04,230 --> 00:57:00,849
in suddenly these red blue and white

1326
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:04,240
almost like police lights start flashing

1327
00:57:12,509 --> 00:57:09,130
on the maser roughly about 300 300 feet

1328
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:12,519
from us right behind it and we're kind

1329
00:57:15,870 --> 00:57:14,170
of in unknown territory this is my first

1330
00:57:17,729 --> 00:57:15,880
time out there I don't know if I

1331
00:57:19,559 --> 00:57:17,739
trespassed at this points or whose

1332
00:57:21,539 --> 00:57:19,569
property of mine or what what's going on

1333
00:57:24,599 --> 00:57:21,549
I assume that that the police are there

1334
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:24,609
and living out of state I'm pretty

1335
00:57:31,499 --> 00:57:26,650
concerned at that point what's gonna

1336
00:57:32,940 --> 00:57:31,509
happen next and we're just the whole

1337
00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:32,950
groups of sitting there and anticipation

1338
00:57:37,890 --> 00:57:34,569
waiting for an officer to come out and

1339
00:57:39,690 --> 00:57:37,900
tell us what to do and nobody noby comes

1340
00:57:41,329 --> 00:57:39,700
out no car comes around the corner I

1341
00:57:45,180 --> 00:57:41,339
mean this is only 300 feet away from

1342
00:57:47,700 --> 00:57:45,190
rape rate behind beyond the hill next

1343
00:57:49,470 --> 00:57:47,710
work and we're kind of looking at each

1344
00:57:51,390 --> 00:57:49,480
other confused are we supposed to we

1345
00:57:52,410 --> 00:57:51,400
supposed to go up to them what's the

1346
00:57:54,900 --> 00:57:52,420
what's the procedure here are we

1347
00:57:56,069 --> 00:57:54,910
actually in trouble and suddenly the

1348
00:57:58,229 --> 00:57:56,079
lights out they're doing this for about

1349
00:58:01,620 --> 00:57:58,239
about three to five minutes the lights

1350
00:58:03,299 --> 00:58:01,630
all turn off and this robotic voice

1351
00:58:05,849 --> 00:58:03,309
comes over with sounds almost like an

1352
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:05,859
intercom it's sneaking this language

1353
00:58:10,589 --> 00:58:08,410
none of us have ever heard as if as if a

1354
00:58:13,580 --> 00:58:10,599
robot was talking some unknown language

1355
00:58:16,460 --> 00:58:13,590
and it's barking out

1356
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:16,470
not really I guess instructions or I

1357
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:19,170
don't know why I couldn't none of us

1358
00:58:25,820 --> 00:58:22,130
could recognize what what was being said

1359
00:58:27,860 --> 00:58:25,830
right immediately after that no more

1360
00:58:30,500 --> 00:58:27,870
voice no more lights you couldn't hear

1361
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:30,510
an engine I mean you're out there in the

1362
00:58:36,740 --> 00:58:33,450
desert there's no there's no uh-oh it's

1363
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:36,750
a really rural unpopulated region no

1364
00:58:42,770 --> 00:58:40,370
roads with lights were either a partner

1365
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:42,780
yeah there was there was no road reading

1366
00:58:47,420 --> 00:58:45,210
tour the what we assumed was a vehicle

1367
00:58:49,010 --> 00:58:47,430
um could have been I mean there would

1368
00:58:50,930 --> 00:58:49,020
have to have been headlights to get out

1369
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:50,940
at that point so we get a little bit

1370
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:53,490
more curious at this point and we walk

1371
00:58:58,970 --> 00:58:55,650
up to the spot walk behind the hill

1372
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:58,980
there's not even tire tracks I mean it

1373
00:59:03,410 --> 00:59:00,720
is desert out there so anything would

1374
00:59:05,900 --> 00:59:03,420
leave footprints tire tracks there's no

1375
00:59:07,390 --> 00:59:05,910
car nothing I mean yeah at least it

1376
00:59:10,690 --> 00:59:07,400
would have to turn around and drive away

1377
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:10,700
and that was that was my very first

1378
00:59:16,700 --> 00:59:15,210
experience at the ranch now we have

1379
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:16,710
another guest who's joined us he'll be

1380
00:59:21,580 --> 00:59:17,850
here for a little while

1381
00:59:24,860 --> 00:59:21,590
Chris tell us about this insiders source

1382
00:59:27,170 --> 00:59:24,870
well we we have chip on the line and I

1383
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:27,180
think gene this is the first time

1384
00:59:32,990 --> 00:59:29,370
someone that has been directly involved

1385
00:59:36,860 --> 00:59:33,000
with the Sherman ranch has come forward

1386
00:59:40,220 --> 00:59:36,870
publicly and agreed to talk about some

1387
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:40,230
of their experiences Wow up in that area

1388
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:43,530
and chip welcome to the podcast we

1389
00:59:47,930 --> 00:59:45,810
really appreciate you being on the show

1390
00:59:52,010 --> 00:59:47,940
good to be on the show thanks for having

1391
00:59:55,940 --> 00:59:52,020
me cool well you know you are in a very

1392
00:59:58,160 --> 00:59:55,950
awkward position obviously by you know

1393
01:00:01,190 --> 00:59:58,170
having an affiliation with this

1394
01:00:04,490 --> 01:00:01,200
particular you know incredible case why

1395
01:00:08,030 --> 01:00:04,500
don't you give us a thumbnail of your

1396
01:00:10,850 --> 01:00:08,040
involvement and kind of give us a sense

1397
01:00:18,380 --> 01:00:10,860
of what's been going on up there over

1398
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:22,040
eight weeks on and off two weeks at a

1399
01:00:29,250 --> 01:00:26,770
time and you know

1400
01:00:31,050 --> 01:00:29,260
it's a very strange place to be

1401
01:00:32,490 --> 01:00:31,060
especially if you've never been out

1402
01:00:34,550 --> 01:00:32,500
there I'm sure there's some listeners

1403
01:00:36,359 --> 01:00:34,560
that haven't been out there but um

1404
01:00:38,730 --> 01:00:36,369
obviously there's a lot of pork lore

1405
01:00:40,290 --> 01:00:38,740
that goes on with you know the Indian

1406
01:00:44,970 --> 01:00:40,300
tribes that are out there and everybody

1407
01:00:47,609 --> 01:00:44,980
you know superstitious but um I didn't

1408
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:47,619
believe any of it and I went out there

1409
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:50,050
for the first time and nothing really

1410
01:00:55,290 --> 01:00:51,730
happened the first time and I was it

1411
01:00:57,690 --> 01:00:55,300
okay that's until it not here and then

1412
01:01:00,000 --> 01:00:57,700
uh went a couple more times and I just

1413
01:01:01,260 --> 01:01:00,010
started noticing things like in my back

1414
01:01:04,020 --> 01:01:01,270
like I look has something at a specific

1415
01:01:05,370 --> 01:01:04,030
place and then I would go back and it

1416
01:01:07,710 --> 01:01:05,380
wouldn't be in that Pacific place and I

1417
01:01:10,109 --> 01:01:07,720
thought I was going crazy but it just

1418
01:01:13,500 --> 01:01:10,119
things would be moved around all the

1419
01:01:14,970 --> 01:01:13,510
time and that can you explain it so you

1420
01:01:17,310 --> 01:01:14,980
know it's just little things like that

1421
01:01:20,790 --> 01:01:17,320
that would happen and also I know of an

1422
01:01:25,410 --> 01:01:20,800
incident like had a stereo that was off

1423
01:01:28,020 --> 01:01:25,420
unplugged and it turned on turned on

1424
01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:28,030
unplug didn't have a battery supply no

1425
01:01:32,670 --> 01:01:29,440
batteries nothing just like a regular

1426
01:01:34,470 --> 01:01:32,680
one that you get from like a Walmart you

1427
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:34,480
know like one of those hundred and fifty

1428
01:01:39,990 --> 01:01:36,730
dollar ones that you plug in and get the

1429
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:40,000
CD player and all that stuff ship I

1430
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:41,530
don't know how much information you want

1431
01:01:47,250 --> 01:01:44,770
to give us a reveal but how did you

1432
01:01:51,330 --> 01:01:47,260
happen to get to the ranch were you

1433
01:01:54,030 --> 01:01:51,340
working there what yes I worked there at

1434
01:01:55,260 --> 01:01:54,040
the ranch okay this is for this period

1435
01:01:57,630 --> 01:01:55,270
but you're no longer working at the

1436
01:02:00,420 --> 01:01:57,640
ranch aren't you you know opening up

1437
01:02:01,220 --> 01:02:00,430
none of the none of the people that I

1438
01:02:04,140 --> 01:02:01,230
worked with

1439
01:02:05,820 --> 01:02:04,150
none of us worked there anywhere okay so

1440
01:02:09,990 --> 01:02:05,830
you all can to talk with other people

1441
01:02:11,730 --> 01:02:10,000
and get some insights from them yes so

1442
01:02:13,140 --> 01:02:11,740
and we originally like when we would go

1443
01:02:16,290 --> 01:02:13,150
up there we were based out of Las Vegas

1444
01:02:19,500 --> 01:02:16,300
Nevada is where we were actually hired

1445
01:02:24,690 --> 01:02:19,510
from where we live they would fly us out

1446
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:24,700
there for two weeks at a time but they

1447
01:02:27,540 --> 01:02:26,650
stopped flying us because the people at

1448
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:27,550
the airport

1449
01:02:35,070 --> 01:02:32,770
the TSA agents knew who we were by you

1450
01:02:37,290 --> 01:02:35,080
know looking at her driver's license on

1451
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:37,300
our IDs and all that but by what we are

1452
01:02:40,130 --> 01:02:38,770
carrying because we are carrying uh

1453
01:02:42,349 --> 01:02:40,140
sidearms

1454
01:02:44,420 --> 01:02:42,359
and we had it loaded in the bag so I

1455
01:02:46,549 --> 01:02:44,430
knew that we had cousin they knew

1456
01:02:49,609 --> 01:02:46,559
overheard going they were telling people

1457
01:02:52,599 --> 01:02:49,619
that went in when we weren't there so

1458
01:02:56,180 --> 01:02:52,609
they stopped having us fly out there and

1459
01:02:58,309 --> 01:02:56,190
started hitting a rental car from Las

1460
01:03:00,559 --> 01:02:58,319
Vegas and we took a rental car from Las

1461
01:03:02,269 --> 01:03:00,569
Vegas to the ranch what kind of trip is

1462
01:03:04,660 --> 01:03:02,279
that yeah that's it that's that way I

1463
01:03:07,849 --> 01:03:04,670
got six hours yeah eight eight hours

1464
01:03:08,539 --> 01:03:07,859
eight-hour drive so why why we armed on

1465
01:03:13,789 --> 01:03:08,549
the ranch

1466
01:03:16,959 --> 01:03:13,799
they said it's her anybody that comes on

1467
01:03:21,620 --> 01:03:16,969
the ranch but I I don't necessarily

1468
01:03:22,819 --> 01:03:21,630
believe that you know it's anybody can

1469
01:03:24,769 --> 01:03:22,829
be deterred people know they're not

1470
01:03:27,289 --> 01:03:24,779
supposed to be there you know you don't

1471
01:03:30,289 --> 01:03:27,299
need a gun to deter somebody I'll tell

1472
01:03:34,219 --> 01:03:30,299
you turned by our sponsors if I don't do

1473
01:03:37,489 --> 01:03:34,229
this we have the Sherman Ranch insider

1474
01:03:39,589 --> 01:03:37,499
himself his name is chip with David

1475
01:03:48,289 --> 01:03:39,599
Weatherly and Ryan Skinner joining gene

1476
01:03:50,390 --> 01:03:48,299
and Chris you're in the para cast hey

1477
01:03:53,660 --> 01:03:50,400
neighbors you've seen all those crazy

1478
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wacky products on TV the perfect

1479
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tortilla easy covers hot booties

1480
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furniture fix petty spin and more where

1481
01:04:05,150 --> 01:04:02,219
do you find all that stuff you go to as

1482
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seen on TV calm because this is the

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1484
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is seen on TV check them out as seen on

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1495
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1496
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1497
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system following a

1498
01:04:57,589 --> 01:04:55,170
China getting out of US Treasuries at

1499
01:04:59,420 --> 01:04:57,599
the end of 2008 the time of tarf the

1500
01:05:02,630 --> 01:04:59,430
national debt was at eleven trillion

1501
01:05:04,910 --> 01:05:02,640
gold trading around $850 per ounce close

1502
01:05:07,249 --> 01:05:04,920
to 2012 the national debt exceeded

1503
01:05:09,799 --> 01:05:07,259
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1504
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1505
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1506
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inevitable politicians in Washington

1507
01:05:17,779 --> 01:05:15,359
have a ferocious appetite for spending

1508
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1509
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1510
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gold standard to limit this madness but

1511
01:05:25,969 --> 01:05:24,239
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1512
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1521
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1555
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1556
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1557
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1561
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1562
01:08:18,250 --> 01:08:14,390
who've been talking to David Weatherly

1563
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:18,260
Ryan Skinner now an insider an insider's

1564
01:08:24,790 --> 01:08:21,410
story from ship so chip you're saying is

1565
01:08:27,910 --> 01:08:24,800
that you opted to have a firearm but you

1566
01:08:30,370 --> 01:08:27,920
didn't have to feel you had to know it

1567
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:30,380
was required of us to have a firearm

1568
01:08:35,170 --> 01:08:32,810
okay so it's part of the gig you have to

1569
01:08:39,490 --> 01:08:35,180
have a firearm but you weren't clear

1570
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:39,500
about why they said it was you know for

1571
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:41,690
protection in case anybody came on their

1572
01:08:46,540 --> 01:08:44,210
ranch or anything but you don't this

1573
01:08:47,950 --> 01:08:46,550
side arm out there to it becomes in the

1574
01:08:50,829 --> 01:08:47,960
ranch it's not like somebody's coming to

1575
01:08:52,510 --> 01:08:50,839
hurt you or steal anything they're like

1576
01:08:54,190 --> 01:08:52,520
as far as people coming to look at the

1577
01:08:56,079 --> 01:08:54,200
ranch they're just curious and want to

1578
01:08:59,770 --> 01:08:56,089
know what's going on just like everybody

1579
01:09:02,890 --> 01:08:59,780
else so you don't really need a handgun

1580
01:09:05,620 --> 01:09:02,900
for protection so I think it was for

1581
01:09:07,420 --> 01:09:05,630
something else in case I'm not saying

1582
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:07,430
that there's a skinwalker or there isn't

1583
01:09:15,790 --> 01:09:10,130
a skinwalker but you know I I'm thinking

1584
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:15,800
it's more along the lines for that here

1585
01:09:18,220 --> 01:09:16,730
without revealing in

1586
01:09:20,140 --> 01:09:18,230
information about you which I don't want

1587
01:09:23,470 --> 01:09:20,150
to do you're keeping your identity

1588
01:09:25,870 --> 01:09:23,480
secret which we respect do you feel

1589
01:09:28,329 --> 01:09:25,880
there would be negative repercussions if

1590
01:09:32,890 --> 01:09:28,339
you were known as to who you really are

1591
01:09:35,050 --> 01:09:32,900
oh absolutely no doubt in my mind we

1592
01:09:38,079 --> 01:09:35,060
were required to have a security plan

1593
01:09:41,950 --> 01:09:38,089
for this no security clearance being one

1594
01:09:42,999 --> 01:09:41,960
kind military no okay okay so you're

1595
01:09:46,410 --> 01:09:43,009
telling us something of your background

1596
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:46,420
by not telling us we were all required a

1597
01:09:51,220 --> 01:09:49,250
security clearance or a single one of us

1598
01:09:51,940 --> 01:09:51,230
that were hired well I have a question

1599
01:09:56,260 --> 01:09:51,950
for you

1600
01:09:59,560 --> 01:09:56,270
chip I found out in 2004 through the

1601
01:10:01,720 --> 01:09:59,570
grapevine somebody who was associated

1602
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:01,730
with one of the people that were in

1603
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:04,250
monitoring the ranch over these last few

1604
01:10:09,220 --> 01:10:06,770
years and they had heard a rumor while

1605
01:10:10,930 --> 01:10:09,230
on a trip in London that there had been

1606
01:10:13,570 --> 01:10:10,940
some sort of altercation between

1607
01:10:17,950 --> 01:10:13,580
security personnel and some sort of

1608
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:17,960
paranormal or alien or or weird very

1609
01:10:22,500 --> 01:10:20,690
aggressive beans after doing quite a bit

1610
01:10:25,210 --> 01:10:22,510
of digging coming up with some

1611
01:10:27,790 --> 01:10:25,220
potentially collaborating information

1612
01:10:30,580 --> 01:10:27,800
I think ID the time period around the

1613
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:30,590
summer of 99 did you hear of anybody

1614
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:33,010
getting hurt or even killed up there

1615
01:10:37,630 --> 01:10:35,810
security personnel who were involved in

1616
01:10:41,050 --> 01:10:37,640
monitoring activity on the ranch and

1617
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:41,060
keeping curious onlookers off the ranch

1618
01:10:45,820 --> 01:10:43,130
did you ever hear rumors of this

1619
01:10:48,910 --> 01:10:45,830
no I didn't they didn't they didn't give

1620
01:10:51,070 --> 01:10:48,920
us any information about the ranch at

1621
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:51,080
all when we went to work up there they

1622
01:10:57,190 --> 01:10:54,050
just said you're doing security you'll

1623
01:10:58,240 --> 01:10:57,200
patrol at night and we'll keep people

1624
01:11:01,060 --> 01:10:58,250
off this property

1625
01:11:03,250 --> 01:11:01,070
we got no insight it just said there may

1626
01:11:05,620 --> 01:11:03,260
you know it made us carry around cameras

1627
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:05,630
and night vision and thermal imagers

1628
01:11:12,100 --> 01:11:09,290
they say allegedly to catch intruders

1629
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:12,110
they had us carry a camera so as we felt

1630
01:11:17,860 --> 01:11:15,290
anything different in our body any chill

1631
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:17,870
like any just anything like to know the

1632
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:19,250
hair goes up in the back of your neck

1633
01:11:23,710 --> 01:11:21,890
stop immediately scanned the thermal

1634
01:11:26,770 --> 01:11:23,720
imagers the night vision and take

1635
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:26,780
pictures because there's an unexplained

1636
01:11:30,609 --> 01:11:29,690
energy out there but then all they gave

1637
01:11:32,250 --> 01:11:30,619
us all they

1638
01:11:35,260 --> 01:11:32,260
well that brings up an interesting

1639
01:11:38,729 --> 01:11:35,270
interesting question here when you took

1640
01:11:41,169 --> 01:11:38,739
pictures did anything ever come out I

1641
01:11:43,510 --> 01:11:41,179
never really got anything like we got

1642
01:11:46,660 --> 01:11:43,520
these things they called orbs in the

1643
01:11:50,649 --> 01:11:46,670
picture but they said those were balls

1644
01:11:54,129 --> 01:11:50,659
of energy I don't know if I believe that

1645
01:11:55,750 --> 01:11:54,139
those forbs were energy or not I don't

1646
01:11:58,030 --> 01:11:55,760
know I did some research on it because

1647
01:12:00,459 --> 01:11:58,040
obviously I was curious into what they

1648
01:12:02,410 --> 01:12:00,469
were having me do out there I thought

1649
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:02,420
maybe it's you know like the dust and

1650
01:12:06,879 --> 01:12:04,130
pollen particles that are in the air

1651
01:12:08,830 --> 01:12:06,889
that are causing these so called orbs or

1652
01:12:10,899 --> 01:12:08,840
in the pictures you take a series of

1653
01:12:12,729 --> 01:12:10,909
pictures and have orbs and some and not

1654
01:12:15,189 --> 01:12:12,739
in others within quick succession

1655
01:12:17,290 --> 01:12:15,199
yes I did and that's well that's where

1656
01:12:19,089 --> 01:12:17,300
I'm getting with that it I thought maybe

1657
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:19,099
it could be the dust and pollen in the

1658
01:12:23,589 --> 01:12:21,770
air and then I concluded it couldn't

1659
01:12:25,629 --> 01:12:23,599
have been because I would take several

1660
01:12:27,100 --> 01:12:25,639
pictures sometimes 25 pictures once I

1661
01:12:29,169 --> 01:12:27,110
felt like that and there would be

1662
01:12:32,589 --> 01:12:29,179
pictures that were one right after the

1663
01:12:34,899 --> 01:12:32,599
other one would have you know a couple

1664
01:12:37,149 --> 01:12:34,909
hundred orbs in them and then the other

1665
01:12:40,780 --> 01:12:37,159
one nothing at all completely just black

1666
01:12:43,540 --> 01:12:40,790
well Jim one thing I've heard through

1667
01:12:45,060 --> 01:12:43,550
some of my sources in the area is that

1668
01:12:48,850 --> 01:12:45,070
there was something called the orb

1669
01:12:51,070 --> 01:12:48,860
project and that the the people managing

1670
01:12:54,790 --> 01:12:51,080
the ranch and supervising personnel like

1671
01:12:57,580 --> 01:12:54,800
yourself were aware of some sort of

1672
01:13:00,339 --> 01:12:57,590
correlation between these orbs showing

1673
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:00,349
up in photographs and other activity

1674
01:13:04,750 --> 01:13:02,210
that was occurring on the ranch did you

1675
01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:04,760
ever see a correlation between the

1676
01:13:09,010 --> 01:13:06,560
appearance of these orbs in your

1677
01:13:13,180 --> 01:13:09,020
photographs and then subsequent strange

1678
01:13:14,620 --> 01:13:13,190
events still feel weird I didn't really

1679
01:13:17,470 --> 01:13:14,630
have too many weird things happen my

1680
01:13:19,810 --> 01:13:17,480
files actually out walking but you know

1681
01:13:22,390 --> 01:13:19,820
it's kind of creepy out there walking by

1682
01:13:24,430 --> 01:13:22,400
yourself with the dog they have you walk

1683
01:13:26,709 --> 01:13:24,440
with a dog and you're out there in the

1684
01:13:28,990 --> 01:13:26,719
middle of the night by yourself freezing

1685
01:13:30,729 --> 01:13:29,000
and it's pitch black so you know your

1686
01:13:33,459 --> 01:13:30,739
mind can play tricks on you either way

1687
01:13:35,169 --> 01:13:33,469
but I can't really think at that time

1688
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:35,179
where I actually had a direct

1689
01:13:38,470 --> 01:13:36,770
correlation with the orbs and then

1690
01:13:40,629 --> 01:13:38,480
something strange happening right after

1691
01:13:42,580 --> 01:13:40,639
seeing the orbs something strange and

1692
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:42,590
then the orbs appear now these dogs were

1693
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:44,210
these standard police dogs

1694
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:46,250
no they weren't they were just regular

1695
01:13:50,530 --> 01:13:48,410
household dogs I didn't have any

1696
01:13:52,870 --> 01:13:50,540
training which I guess they didn't want

1697
01:13:55,209 --> 01:13:52,880
dogs that had training because it could

1698
01:13:58,450 --> 01:13:55,219
affect how they sense things I don't

1699
01:14:00,340 --> 01:13:58,460
know a really good point chip

1700
01:14:01,900 --> 01:14:00,350
were you ever out there with the dogs

1701
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:01,910
and they became an early warning

1702
01:14:06,250 --> 01:14:04,489
detection device where they would

1703
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:06,260
respond to something that you couldn't

1704
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:08,690
perceive or did you ever have any animal

1705
01:14:13,540 --> 01:14:11,210
reactions in that that regard there were

1706
01:14:15,490 --> 01:14:13,550
times where the dog witches would start

1707
01:14:16,810 --> 01:14:15,500
barking or would just lay down on the

1708
01:14:18,220 --> 01:14:16,820
ground so then I just started taking

1709
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:18,230
pictures because I didn't feel anything

1710
01:14:21,130 --> 01:14:19,489
at all when that was happening and I

1711
01:14:23,020 --> 01:14:21,140
take pictures and a lot of the times

1712
01:14:25,150 --> 01:14:23,030
when a dog would do that there would be

1713
01:14:27,459 --> 01:14:25,160
the orbs and the in the pictures they

1714
01:14:32,620 --> 01:14:27,469
say lay down the ground in fear or just

1715
01:14:42,970 --> 01:14:32,630
laying down okay that strikes me as

1716
01:14:45,250 --> 01:14:42,980
interesting job of surrender so what

1717
01:14:47,350 --> 01:14:45,260
about rumors from other security

1718
01:14:48,910 --> 01:14:47,360
personnel or in scientists up there I

1719
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:48,920
mean did you have interactions with the

1720
01:14:53,050 --> 01:14:51,650
scientists with a forthcoming about some

1721
01:14:55,390 --> 01:14:53,060
of the events that had happened in the

1722
01:15:06,400 --> 01:14:55,400
past or did you do any digging on your

1723
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:06,410
own one time and I don't know they just

1724
01:15:10,209 --> 01:15:08,930
didn't seem like they really didn't like

1725
01:15:13,180 --> 01:15:10,219
they were just there to collect a

1726
01:15:14,740 --> 01:15:13,190
paycheck and figaro said go out there

1727
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:14,750
and do this and that that's that's

1728
01:15:20,860 --> 01:15:16,370
seriously that is pretty much like

1729
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:20,870
through airplane slap and tickle so

1730
01:15:25,090 --> 01:15:22,730
going through the motions going up there

1731
01:15:28,180 --> 01:15:25,100
going up god we got a drag our butts up

1732
01:15:29,979 --> 01:15:28,190
here put in our time to collect our

1733
01:15:31,270 --> 01:15:29,989
paychecks by the way ladies and

1734
01:15:35,140 --> 01:15:31,280
gentlemen a strange noise you're hearing

1735
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:35,150
is not et landing I'm talking to chimp

1736
01:15:39,459 --> 01:15:37,610
on a mobile device I've heard a couple

1737
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:39,469
of rumors this is right I've heard

1738
01:15:43,420 --> 01:15:40,930
rumors that there was some pretty

1739
01:15:44,979 --> 01:15:43,430
high-ranking military people that had

1740
01:15:46,540 --> 01:15:44,989
come out to the ranch that had gotten

1741
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:46,550
spooked by something that they saw out

1742
01:15:52,990 --> 01:15:49,730
there and also prevalent rumors was that

1743
01:15:55,750 --> 01:15:53,000
a security personnel was there anybody

1744
01:15:57,370 --> 01:15:55,760
at the ranch researchers were urine

1745
01:15:57,970 --> 01:15:57,380
tested after they had any kind of

1746
01:15:59,080 --> 01:15:57,980
encounter out

1747
01:16:01,479 --> 01:15:59,090
I didn't know if there was any truth to

1748
01:16:04,180 --> 01:16:01,489
that rumor if the social guy said

1749
01:16:07,030 --> 01:16:04,190
protein concern that was a loaded okay

1750
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:07,040
um as far as the the high-ranking

1751
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:09,890
military people yes they were out there

1752
01:16:14,590 --> 01:16:13,250
they weren't out there during my state I

1753
01:16:15,220 --> 01:16:14,600
actually heard about it through the

1754
01:16:21,010 --> 01:16:15,230
grapevine

1755
01:16:23,620 --> 01:16:21,020
mean we're talking to chip with David

1756
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Wesley Ryan Skinner and gene and Chris a

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1790
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1791
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1838
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my name is Doug dye Darrell for years I

1846
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had an ongoing rash with itching around

1847
01:20:13,430 --> 01:20:11,670
my eyes this was due to metal dust

1848
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particles landing on my face in the

1849
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workplace after being on one world way

1850
01:20:20,540 --> 01:20:18,120
for two weeks I began to have a severe

1851
01:20:23,630 --> 01:20:20,550
rash in itching sensation around my eyes

1852
01:20:26,930 --> 01:20:23,640
this rash in eating lasted for five

1853
01:20:28,580 --> 01:20:26,940
weeks and is now 100% gone additionally

1854
01:20:31,250 --> 01:20:28,590
without extra exercise have also

1855
01:20:32,630 --> 01:20:31,260
increased my muscle size and my wife has

1856
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blocked weight and gained a more

1857
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1858
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1860
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three two five eight eight eight nine

1861
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eight eight three three two five or

1862
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wh ey calm hi this is Don Ecker and you

1864
01:20:56,780 --> 01:20:54,870
are tuned in to the para cast let me

1865
01:20:59,480 --> 01:20:56,790
tell you what you're gonna hear stuff

1866
01:21:02,710 --> 01:20:59,490
here that you probably won't hear

1867
01:21:05,900 --> 01:21:02,720
anywhere else hear that George snoring

1868
01:21:08,870 --> 01:21:05,910
where's gene and Kris we've got chip

1869
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:08,880
he's a Sherman rants insider he worked

1870
01:21:13,190 --> 01:21:11,610
there handling security and has some

1871
01:21:15,470 --> 01:21:13,200
things to tell of course we can't

1872
01:21:18,770 --> 01:21:15,480
release his real name we also have David

1873
01:21:20,780 --> 01:21:18,780
Weatherly and Ryan Skinner we got more

1874
01:21:23,170 --> 01:21:20,790
questions of chip we want to answer that

1875
01:21:25,940 --> 01:21:23,180
one that you started in the last

1876
01:21:29,420 --> 01:21:25,950
high-ranking military people they did

1877
01:21:32,150 --> 01:21:29,430
come out I can't remember the exact I

1878
01:21:35,180 --> 01:21:32,160
know one of them was a general and there

1879
01:21:36,740 --> 01:21:35,190
was three others it was a female

1880
01:21:38,210 --> 01:21:36,750
but I don't remember their ranks I don't

1881
01:21:39,530 --> 01:21:38,220
know their names they didn't come out

1882
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:39,540
when I was actually out there I've heard

1883
01:21:46,670 --> 01:21:42,690
about from the other guys but um I don't

1884
01:21:49,190 --> 01:21:46,680
know what exactly happened nobody really

1885
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:49,200
was told what exactly happened but there

1886
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:52,650
was an incident and military people

1887
01:21:58,850 --> 01:21:56,010
freaked out they wanted to be escorted

1888
01:22:00,770 --> 01:21:58,860
off to properly immediately so they left

1889
01:22:03,470 --> 01:22:00,780
I don't know what the incident was I

1890
01:22:07,250 --> 01:22:03,480
know they freaked out every single one

1891
01:22:09,740 --> 01:22:07,260
of them eternity past year or one in

1892
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:09,750
fear and they wanted to be escorted off

1893
01:22:13,790 --> 01:22:12,330
the property immediately which with

1894
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:13,800
people being in the military you know

1895
01:22:18,950 --> 01:22:15,690
you do have training so you're not just

1896
01:22:20,900 --> 01:22:18,960
some average you know Joe like scared of

1897
01:22:23,270 --> 01:22:20,910
the boogeyman you know can I come after

1898
01:22:25,430 --> 01:22:23,280
me so some time talking about a Noah

1899
01:22:30,290 --> 01:22:25,440
Terry person freaking out that's it

1900
01:22:33,980 --> 01:22:30,300
sounds a bit of a freak out no people

1901
01:22:35,390 --> 01:22:33,990
wasn't just one multiple so I I don't

1902
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:35,400
know what they saw but they saw

1903
01:22:39,410 --> 01:22:37,890
something and they weren't too happy

1904
01:22:42,500 --> 01:22:39,420
about it and didn't want to be there

1905
01:22:44,300 --> 01:22:42,510
anymore so the other question was

1906
01:22:46,850 --> 01:22:44,310
regarding the if there was a urine test

1907
01:22:49,650 --> 01:22:46,860
ever done after researchers would have

1908
01:22:53,340 --> 01:22:49,660
some sort of encounter another

1909
01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:53,350
remember that I came across yes they

1910
01:23:00,690 --> 01:22:57,010
didn't reaiize urine test to us it we

1911
01:23:02,430 --> 01:23:00,700
saw anything if there is pitchers and

1912
01:23:04,710 --> 01:23:02,440
there is multiple orbs and we felt

1913
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:04,720
something like you know a cold feeling

1914
01:23:07,860 --> 01:23:06,850
or just like felt something different

1915
01:23:09,780 --> 01:23:07,870
you know like I was telling you about

1916
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:09,790
how we had pitchers and see if there was

1917
01:23:16,050 --> 01:23:12,970
orbs and the pitchers did that there was

1918
01:23:18,870 --> 01:23:16,060
a new report it made you do a pee test

1919
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:18,880
you had to pee in these little jars and

1920
01:23:24,330 --> 01:23:20,890
then you had to bring them back with you

1921
01:23:25,590 --> 01:23:24,340
when you went back down back down after

1922
01:23:27,990 --> 01:23:25,600
your two week stay here to bring it back

1923
01:23:30,870 --> 01:23:28,000
down to Las Vegas where they had their

1924
01:23:31,950 --> 01:23:30,880
little um their little lab and they did

1925
01:23:34,230 --> 01:23:31,960
what I don't know what they did with it

1926
01:23:36,090 --> 01:23:34,240
but they did whatever with it it did

1927
01:23:38,910 --> 01:23:36,100
their thing with it don't think they

1928
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:38,920
were making martinis I don't think so

1929
01:23:42,290 --> 01:23:39,690
either

1930
01:23:47,580 --> 01:23:42,300
which which brings me to another thing

1931
01:23:48,930 --> 01:23:47,590
they also have some guys after they went

1932
01:23:50,460 --> 01:23:48,940
to there was a few guys that went to

1933
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:50,470
their ranch and then there was a few

1934
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:52,330
that hadn't been to the ranch yet they

1935
01:23:57,960 --> 01:23:54,970
sent you guys to paid for the trip to

1936
01:24:02,460 --> 01:23:57,970
Reno on a weekend paid for the facility

1937
01:24:07,110 --> 01:24:02,470
to be open and get brain scans on all

1938
01:24:09,420 --> 01:24:07,120
their individuals you mean MRI em all

1939
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:09,430
right yes and they would not let you

1940
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:11,530
they would not let you look at it they

1941
01:24:16,050 --> 01:24:13,210
said the only information you will get

1942
01:24:17,190 --> 01:24:16,060
is if you have a brain tumor or

1943
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:17,200
something life-threatening you know

1944
01:24:20,460 --> 01:24:18,850
wrong with your brains and they'll give

1945
01:24:23,010 --> 01:24:20,470
you some information on it but it's like

1946
01:24:26,820 --> 01:24:23,020
you like they would believe there was

1947
01:24:29,790 --> 01:24:26,830
some reason to fear a brain tumor so

1948
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:29,800
you're still alive no brain tumor well

1949
01:24:34,980 --> 01:24:32,770
your biological connection to what's

1950
01:24:36,510 --> 01:24:34,990
going on that whatever we witness or

1951
01:24:38,850 --> 01:24:36,520
experience makes some sort of

1952
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:38,860
physiological altercation to the witness

1953
01:24:45,030 --> 01:24:41,410
and they're I think it's me theorizing

1954
01:24:48,030 --> 01:24:45,040
but uh that would be my guest via but

1955
01:24:50,670 --> 01:24:48,040
either that or a drug test well what did

1956
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:50,680
you think of this type of scientific

1957
01:24:55,650 --> 01:24:53,890
interest in security personnel and

1958
01:24:59,310 --> 01:24:55,660
others who were on the ranch I mean did

1959
01:25:01,439 --> 01:24:59,320
you ever ask any questions what do you

1960
01:25:04,290 --> 01:25:01,449
what do you think they were looking for

1961
01:25:07,250 --> 01:25:04,300
give us your thinking on that it's

1962
01:25:11,100 --> 01:25:07,260
directed for our chip yes chip

1963
01:25:13,590 --> 01:25:11,110
yeah yeah what were they looking for I'm

1964
01:25:17,070 --> 01:25:13,600
not - I don't know something uh

1965
01:25:19,620 --> 01:25:17,080
something not normal something something

1966
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:19,630
out of the norm definitely as far as I

1967
01:25:23,790 --> 01:25:21,489
don't know I want to take care of normal

1968
01:25:26,610 --> 01:25:23,800
yeah I don't know but it was definitely

1969
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:26,620
something and for military those for

1970
01:25:31,530 --> 01:25:28,210
high-ranking military people to be

1971
01:25:34,500 --> 01:25:31,540
freaked out about something for you know

1972
01:25:37,820 --> 01:25:34,510
them sitting and paying all the money to

1973
01:25:42,450 --> 01:25:37,830
have MRI some individual frames

1974
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:42,460
yes doctor it's like we were sick or

1975
01:25:46,380 --> 01:25:45,010
anything so why are you spending all

1976
01:25:49,500 --> 01:25:46,390
this money there's obviously something

1977
01:25:51,689 --> 01:25:49,510
going on it's almost like we were the

1978
01:25:53,550 --> 01:25:51,699
guinea cakes they were they were testing

1979
01:25:55,189 --> 01:25:53,560
us it's what it seems like you know I

1980
01:25:59,130 --> 01:25:55,199
mean like they were examining your heart

1981
01:26:02,010 --> 01:25:59,140
is what it feels like like we were the

1982
01:26:04,260 --> 01:26:02,020
protests amuse here like I don't know

1983
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:04,270
like that they have come new military

1984
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:07,210
thing they're using out there and they

1985
01:26:11,459 --> 01:26:08,770
wanted to see how it affects people I

1986
01:26:13,979 --> 01:26:11,469
don't know what just eager then maybe

1987
01:26:17,540 --> 01:26:13,989
you were hired not so much to provide

1988
01:26:22,770 --> 01:26:17,550
security that to be a lab rat

1989
01:26:25,890 --> 01:26:22,780
exactly they did similar experiments on

1990
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:25,900
tests on the dolls what's that

1991
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:28,890
do you know similar tests on the dogs

1992
01:26:35,820 --> 01:26:33,370
that you guys carry on no no I was there

1993
01:26:38,700 --> 01:26:35,830
they didn't do any any tests on the

1994
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:38,710
animals hey you just had to take an

1995
01:26:44,100 --> 01:26:42,250
animal with you and you know if they

1996
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:44,110
acted weird or you know like I said they

1997
01:26:47,430 --> 01:26:45,370
laid down and stuff then you start

1998
01:26:49,950 --> 01:26:47,440
taking pictures but other than that they

1999
01:26:50,729 --> 01:26:49,960
didn't do anything to my knowledge with

2000
01:26:52,110 --> 01:26:50,739
the animals

2001
01:26:55,410 --> 01:26:52,120
well at least they cared about the

2002
01:26:58,110 --> 01:26:55,420
people I hope oh yeah but you don't know

2003
01:27:03,090 --> 01:26:58,120
if anybody coming down with any illness

2004
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:03,100
or ailment as a result of this no no I

2005
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:06,010
don't know of anybody getting sick or

2006
01:27:12,419 --> 01:27:09,010
having anything wrong with them but it's

2007
01:27:15,420 --> 01:27:12,429
just normal people don't just spend

2008
01:27:17,700 --> 01:27:15,430
their money

2009
01:27:20,550 --> 01:27:17,710
random individuals so we have randomized

2010
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:20,560
done and all this and then pay somebody

2011
01:27:26,490 --> 01:27:24,610
to sit at a ranch you know and do all

2012
01:27:29,610 --> 01:27:26,500
this stuff that you had a stealing she's

2013
01:27:32,130 --> 01:27:29,620
not normal so this your question your

2014
01:27:35,310 --> 01:27:32,140
just a quick question chip and that is

2015
01:27:37,530 --> 01:27:35,320
here you were there for just a number of

2016
01:27:39,420 --> 01:27:37,540
weeks and that was it was that the

2017
01:27:46,770 --> 01:27:39,430
intent to hire you for a short duration

2018
01:27:50,010 --> 01:27:46,780
gig and Metzl did a mass hire and not

2019
01:27:53,610 --> 01:27:50,020
just the guards they hired investigators

2020
01:27:56,370 --> 01:27:53,620
they hired doctors they had all sorts of

2021
01:27:58,740 --> 01:27:56,380
like uh like doctors I mean by like

2022
01:28:01,500 --> 01:27:58,750
nuclear physicist and all that they had

2023
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:01,510
several people that hired the building

2024
01:28:07,710 --> 01:28:03,130
that they had in Las Vegas probably had

2025
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:07,720
about 50 50 to 60 people at the peak of

2026
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:11,170
their hiring now they're not saying you

2027
01:28:15,150 --> 01:28:12,730
know I'm not going to ask you to be

2028
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:15,160
super specific but roughly how many

2029
01:28:31,229 --> 01:28:24,610
years ago is this ok so just three years

2030
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:31,239
ago they wait everybody off in 2010 do

2031
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:32,890
they give any reason we just say that's

2032
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:35,530
it you're finished goodbye they said we

2033
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:38,650
lost our contract and I actually saw

2034
01:28:44,430 --> 01:28:41,650
some paper work out at the office and

2035
01:28:46,350 --> 01:28:44,440
Las Vegas there they they're actually

2036
01:28:52,950 --> 01:28:46,360
under contract by the government all our

2037
01:28:59,460 --> 01:28:52,960
all of our K everything with its branch

2038
01:29:01,890 --> 01:28:59,470
of government the NSA it was was

2039
01:29:08,010 --> 01:29:01,900
covering paychecks and payroll for

2040
01:29:09,810 --> 01:29:08,020
personnel monitoring I ask you a really

2041
01:29:11,670 --> 01:29:09,820
serious question here and understand

2042
01:29:14,220 --> 01:29:11,680
it's done because of the kind of thing

2043
01:29:16,650 --> 01:29:14,230
we have to ask and that is if we asked

2044
01:29:19,440 --> 01:29:16,660
you to prove into some fashion and it

2045
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:19,450
could be for our eyes only for your eyes

2046
01:29:25,350 --> 01:29:22,330
only like the song just for us to see

2047
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:25,360
prove that you were actually employed by

2048
01:29:28,380 --> 01:29:26,890
these people would you be prepared to

2049
01:29:32,670 --> 01:29:28,390
show that evidence

2050
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:32,680
yes okay so maybe we can work that out

2051
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:38,130
and report back by the NSA or by

2052
01:29:43,470 --> 01:29:41,290
whatever document well you have that you

2053
01:29:46,290 --> 01:29:43,480
can show us in confidence it's fine yeah

2054
01:29:50,430 --> 01:29:46,300
to demonstrate that you actually work

2055
01:29:51,990 --> 01:29:50,440
for the Sherman ranch or gene let me cut

2056
01:29:53,940 --> 01:29:52,000
to the chase here a little bit we've

2057
01:29:58,550 --> 01:29:53,950
already kind of gone through that whole

2058
01:30:02,550 --> 01:29:58,560
thing and okay based on my amateur

2059
01:30:06,090 --> 01:30:02,560
opinion he's already done that okay so

2060
01:30:09,690 --> 01:30:06,100
you vouch for his statements about being

2061
01:30:13,470 --> 01:30:09,700
employed by these people employed I

2062
01:30:15,690 --> 01:30:13,480
don't know but let's just put it this

2063
01:30:17,490 --> 01:30:15,700
way he wouldn't have been invited on the

2064
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:17,500
show unless he had already established

2065
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:19,930
his bona fides and credentials we're

2066
01:30:24,570 --> 01:30:21,610
talking to chip the Sherman Ranch

2067
01:30:26,310 --> 01:30:24,580
insider we have Ryan Skinner and David

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2150
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2151
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2152
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2154
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2155
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2156
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2157
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hello this is rosemary ellen guiley and

2158
01:35:08,020 --> 01:34:56,180
you're listening to the podcast the gold

2159
01:35:10,390 --> 01:35:08,030
standard of paranormal radio we have the

2160
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:10,400
Sherman Ranch insider his name is chip

2161
01:35:15,430 --> 01:35:13,370
and we have david Weatherly we have Ryan

2162
01:35:21,030 --> 01:35:15,440
Skinner any other questions of chip

2163
01:35:32,710 --> 01:35:28,900
you're gobsmacked yeah that was a that

2164
01:35:35,710 --> 01:35:32,720
was news to me too their chipper man I

2165
01:35:37,480 --> 01:35:35,720
have heard rumors over the years that

2166
01:35:37,900 --> 01:35:37,490
there has been government involvement up

2167
01:35:39,250 --> 01:35:37,910
there

2168
01:35:42,910 --> 01:35:39,260
to my knowledge you're the first person

2169
01:35:44,770 --> 01:35:42,920
to ever come forward and say yeah not

2170
01:35:47,080 --> 01:35:44,780
only was a government government

2171
01:35:50,710 --> 01:35:47,090
involvement but it was a particular non

2172
01:35:54,220 --> 01:35:50,720
such agency that was involved it well

2173
01:35:57,460 --> 01:35:54,230
David what do you think I mean a mass

2174
01:35:58,930 --> 01:35:57,470
hiring and then a mass firing a chip I

2175
01:36:00,880 --> 01:35:58,940
have a question for you did you hear

2176
01:36:03,370 --> 01:36:00,890
about some sort of appearance of this

2177
01:36:06,670 --> 01:36:03,380
dog man just up the road and forth -

2178
01:36:08,830 --> 01:36:06,680
Shane I think it was in the late fall of

2179
01:36:12,280 --> 01:36:08,840
2009 right about the time that you were

2180
01:36:15,510 --> 01:36:12,290
involved up there yes I heard something

2181
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:15,520
about it we can go out there they had

2182
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:19,370
investigators that uh most of the time

2183
01:36:24,310 --> 01:36:21,530
all they did was sit at their desk in

2184
01:36:26,950 --> 01:36:24,320
Las Vegas and play you know debates and

2185
01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:26,960
solitaire but um anytime there was

2186
01:36:32,710 --> 01:36:29,570
something that happened they would go

2187
01:36:35,170 --> 01:36:32,720
out and and handle it and they went out

2188
01:36:37,810 --> 01:36:35,180
there and did it but uh I don't know

2189
01:36:39,610 --> 01:36:37,820
what came of it or anything I just know

2190
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:39,620
they went out there they took a bunch of

2191
01:36:44,980 --> 01:36:42,890
pictures they did a mold don't like one

2192
01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:44,990
of those plaster mold things I didn't

2193
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:47,330
see it I know they did it that's that's

2194
01:36:54,160 --> 01:36:50,810
about all I got from it and they just

2195
01:36:56,230 --> 01:36:54,170
really know it it's to the dog man it's

2196
01:36:59,920 --> 01:36:56,240
at the dog man sighting yeah they were

2197
01:37:02,440 --> 01:36:59,930
all out there and I know one other time

2198
01:37:03,580 --> 01:37:02,450
there was another sighting it wasn't out

2199
01:37:06,280 --> 01:37:03,590
in Utah it was

2200
01:37:11,080 --> 01:37:06,290
she out in New Mexico there was some

2201
01:37:12,970 --> 01:37:11,090
sightings of some sunlight and they all

2202
01:37:14,470 --> 01:37:12,980
they actually scrambled all the

2203
01:37:16,450 --> 01:37:14,480
investigators and sent every single one

2204
01:37:18,100 --> 01:37:16,460
of them out there that day that they

2205
01:37:20,649 --> 01:37:18,110
found out about it but they would only

2206
01:37:22,330 --> 01:37:20,659
do it if they had multiple calls you

2207
01:37:24,370 --> 01:37:22,340
know obviously not just one person

2208
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:24,380
saying yeah I saw this she crossed the

2209
01:37:27,370 --> 01:37:26,090
road you know they're not just anybody

2210
01:37:30,070 --> 01:37:27,380
out there but I guess they had multiple

2211
01:37:32,290 --> 01:37:30,080
witnesses to this lights or whatever

2212
01:37:33,669 --> 01:37:32,300
they saw and they sent all of them

2213
01:37:35,290 --> 01:37:33,679
vestigators out there usually would only

2214
01:37:37,570 --> 01:37:35,300
send two but they sent all them out

2215
01:37:39,189 --> 01:37:37,580
there they went bought rental car they

2216
01:37:41,350 --> 01:37:39,199
went got rental cars and then drove out

2217
01:37:43,810 --> 01:37:41,360
that night where in New Mexico this was

2218
01:37:47,830 --> 01:37:43,820
I'm not sure he was over by Albuquerque

2219
01:37:49,270 --> 01:37:47,840
but it wasn't in Albuquerque so I don't

2220
01:37:51,310 --> 01:37:49,280
know the exact place but I know it was

2221
01:37:55,689 --> 01:37:51,320
over near Albuquerque's where they were

2222
01:37:58,060 --> 01:37:55,699
going well some questions from from the

2223
01:38:00,310 --> 01:37:58,070
pair cast forum we have quite an

2224
01:38:03,399 --> 01:38:00,320
elaborate group of very up-to-speed

2225
01:38:07,300 --> 01:38:03,409
individuals that post at forum Tepera

2226
01:38:08,740 --> 01:38:07,310
cast calm and as you can imagine there's

2227
01:38:10,089 --> 01:38:08,750
been quite a bit of interest in the show

2228
01:38:11,910 --> 01:38:10,099
and there's no way that we're going to

2229
01:38:14,919 --> 01:38:11,920
be able to get to all the questions but

2230
01:38:17,439 --> 01:38:14,929
here's a question for you David has

2231
01:38:19,479 --> 01:38:17,449
anyone had the opportunity to speak with

2232
01:38:21,510 --> 01:38:19,489
the Sherman family in recent years and

2233
01:38:23,709 --> 01:38:21,520
if so have any of the family members

2234
01:38:26,109 --> 01:38:23,719
experienced anything out of the ordinary

2235
01:38:29,109 --> 01:38:26,119
since leaving the ranch now you and I

2236
01:38:31,270 --> 01:38:29,119
talked recently that Glen Sherman is

2237
01:38:33,930 --> 01:38:31,280
actually still in the area

2238
01:38:36,820 --> 01:38:33,940
has she mentioned any sort of blowback

2239
01:38:39,510 --> 01:38:36,830
psychic or paranormal blowback about her

2240
01:38:43,810 --> 01:38:39,520
experiences there how is she doing

2241
01:38:46,089 --> 01:38:43,820
I've heard recently Brian might have

2242
01:38:48,310 --> 01:38:46,099
some input on that since he's been out

2243
01:38:50,550 --> 01:38:48,320
there and in recent months have you

2244
01:38:52,930 --> 01:38:50,560
heard anything about that right I have

2245
01:38:56,620 --> 01:38:52,940
interestingly enough I posed that exact

2246
01:38:58,660 --> 01:38:56,630
question to her and the answer was since

2247
01:39:00,580 --> 01:38:58,670
moving off the ranch and one of her

2248
01:39:02,649 --> 01:39:00,590
concerns was was that the phenomena

2249
01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:02,659
would follow them and my understanding

2250
01:39:07,930 --> 01:39:05,810
and her response is that it has not it's

2251
01:39:10,330 --> 01:39:07,940
affected her it's changed their family's

2252
01:39:12,430 --> 01:39:10,340
lives permanently it's something we'll

2253
01:39:14,140 --> 01:39:12,440
never forget but it my understanding is

2254
01:39:17,359 --> 01:39:14,150
it is not something that has followed

2255
01:39:20,239 --> 01:39:17,369
the family it is it seems to be rooted

2256
01:39:24,379 --> 01:39:20,249
the ranch or anchor2 here's a question

2257
01:39:27,049 --> 01:39:24,389
for chip with the release of the hunt

2258
01:39:31,819 --> 01:39:27,059
for the skinwalker book in 2005 that

2259
01:39:34,879 --> 01:39:31,829
really exposed the ranch to you know

2260
01:39:37,459 --> 01:39:34,889
quite a bit of public scrutiny did you

2261
01:39:40,119 --> 01:39:37,469
find a lot of people attempting to sneak

2262
01:39:42,889 --> 01:39:40,129
on to the ranch I mean some of the

2263
01:39:46,279 --> 01:39:42,899
stories that I've heard is that security

2264
01:39:49,580 --> 01:39:46,289
personnel have really been run ragged by

2265
01:39:51,109 --> 01:39:49,590
people on weekends you know drinking

2266
01:39:53,270 --> 01:39:51,119
beer and trying to sneak onto the ranch

2267
01:39:56,569 --> 01:39:53,280
and that sort of thing how would you

2268
01:40:00,109 --> 01:39:56,579
describe the interest by outsiders and

2269
01:40:01,699 --> 01:40:00,119
how it related to your job everybody was

2270
01:40:05,869 --> 01:40:01,709
trying to get on their ranch it was more

2271
01:40:08,569 --> 01:40:05,879
so on the weekends um a lot of a lot of

2272
01:40:10,399 --> 01:40:08,579
younger kids would come out there they'd

2273
01:40:12,199 --> 01:40:10,409
bring their girlfriends up there too you

2274
01:40:14,449 --> 01:40:12,209
know it drives much to begin turn off

2275
01:40:16,549 --> 01:40:14,459
their lights and you know try to scare

2276
01:40:19,159 --> 01:40:16,559
them and you know get up all close to

2277
01:40:20,979 --> 01:40:19,169
them you know trying to you know people

2278
01:40:23,629 --> 01:40:20,989
or you know do their thing but um

2279
01:40:25,779 --> 01:40:23,639
there's a lot of people that tried to

2280
01:40:31,100 --> 01:40:25,789
get on the ranch um people drinking crew

2281
01:40:32,959 --> 01:40:31,110
I I think the more so drinking is you

2282
01:40:34,489 --> 01:40:32,969
know because there's a lot of heights

2283
01:40:37,669 --> 01:40:34,499
about the ranch so they're scared so

2284
01:40:40,119 --> 01:40:37,679
you're gonna drink and you know when you

2285
01:40:45,919 --> 01:40:40,129
drink you loosen up more so you're more

2286
01:40:48,379 --> 01:40:45,929
what's the word acceptable but uh you're

2287
01:40:49,909 --> 01:40:48,389
more inclined to take something in and

2288
01:40:52,069 --> 01:40:49,919
actually look at it instead of brush it

2289
01:40:54,770 --> 01:40:52,079
off you know when you're drinking you

2290
01:40:57,109 --> 01:40:54,780
you actually analyze stuff and at least

2291
01:40:58,669 --> 01:40:57,119
when I drink I analyze stuff so but

2292
01:41:00,589 --> 01:40:58,679
there was a lot of people that you know

2293
01:41:02,449 --> 01:41:00,599
got on the ranch and they would uh they

2294
01:41:04,790 --> 01:41:02,459
would give us a shake sometimes and uh

2295
01:41:07,310 --> 01:41:04,800
you know at times I would chase him when

2296
01:41:09,379 --> 01:41:07,320
I was bored or I was cold because it was

2297
01:41:10,759 --> 01:41:09,389
really cold out there but uh other times

2298
01:41:12,529 --> 01:41:10,769
if they were thoroughly out there

2299
01:41:13,969 --> 01:41:12,539
whatever I just don't let them do the

2300
01:41:15,889 --> 01:41:13,979
thing they're not they're not hurting to

2301
01:41:18,889 --> 01:41:15,899
anything it's not like they're coming on

2302
01:41:21,319 --> 01:41:18,899
the ranch to just graffiti and skill

2303
01:41:24,379 --> 01:41:21,329
stuff but they just want to have fun you

2304
01:41:26,419 --> 01:41:24,389
know and experience it so you know I

2305
01:41:28,729 --> 01:41:26,429
wasn't do that but there was a lot of

2306
01:41:31,250 --> 01:41:28,739
people for sure actually on the weekend

2307
01:41:35,149 --> 01:41:31,260
I got an interesting story about that

2308
01:41:37,100 --> 01:41:35,159
local by all means yeah yeah when the

2309
01:41:39,830 --> 01:41:37,110
local is folks if who lives pretty close

2310
01:41:43,220 --> 01:41:39,840
to the ranch definitely not one of those

2311
01:41:45,500 --> 01:41:43,230
I don't I wouldn't I wouldn't advise

2312
01:41:47,569 --> 01:41:45,510
anything even remotely near what he had

2313
01:41:49,069 --> 01:41:47,579
done I was pretty shocked to hear the

2314
01:41:52,970 --> 01:41:49,079
story I don't even know if it's true but

2315
01:41:56,029 --> 01:41:52,980
uh he told me he had driven out to the

2316
01:41:59,209 --> 01:41:56,039
gate and I think he was drinking it or

2317
01:42:01,040 --> 01:41:59,219
something and he hooked the chain up to

2318
01:42:05,390 --> 01:42:01,050
the back of his car wrapped it around

2319
01:42:07,490 --> 01:42:05,400
the gate and actually actually sealed

2320
01:42:09,830 --> 01:42:07,500
out and ripped the gate off the hinge

2321
01:42:11,810 --> 01:42:09,840
and our stand the point of that or why

2322
01:42:13,310 --> 01:42:11,820
anyone would do that well that would

2323
01:42:15,830 --> 01:42:13,320
explain why they have the big concrete

2324
01:42:21,379 --> 01:42:15,840
dividers that make you exactly where you

2325
01:42:23,359 --> 01:42:21,389
can dictate the military barricade the

2326
01:42:25,399 --> 01:42:23,369
pylons and everything else in from the

2327
01:42:28,910 --> 01:42:25,409
gate just like you would at a checkpoint

2328
01:42:31,669 --> 01:42:28,920
in a Afghanistan or something in front

2329
01:42:33,200 --> 01:42:31,679
of a gate on a public road even more

2330
01:42:34,640 --> 01:42:33,210
interesting but it's because of I think

2331
01:42:36,770 --> 01:42:34,650
it's because of what this person had

2332
01:42:38,870 --> 01:42:36,780
done well what's interesting he said

2333
01:42:40,970 --> 01:42:38,880
after he had done that he released the

2334
01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:40,980
the chain and heard to take off and

2335
01:42:44,390 --> 01:42:43,050
would surprise him and the only reason I

2336
01:42:46,609 --> 01:42:44,400
tell the story is because he said

2337
01:42:48,799 --> 01:42:46,619
suddenly a helicopter came up from over

2338
01:42:51,410 --> 01:42:48,809
the hill and served pursuing his car

2339
01:42:53,120 --> 01:42:51,420
again I'd all if this story is hearsay

2340
01:42:56,359 --> 01:42:53,130
here you know the guy just giving me a

2341
01:42:58,759 --> 01:42:56,369
load of whatever anyone that helicopter

2342
01:43:00,109 --> 01:42:58,769
was it it was a black helicopter but he

2343
01:43:02,359 --> 01:43:00,119
said it was a small one it wasn't a very

2344
01:43:04,279 --> 01:43:02,369
large one and it pursued his car all the

2345
01:43:05,779 --> 01:43:04,289
way the highway at which point it

2346
01:43:08,060 --> 01:43:05,789
suddenly turned around now what's really

2347
01:43:09,439 --> 01:43:08,070
interesting about that is is for

2348
01:43:11,270 --> 01:43:09,449
helicopter just to come out of nowhere

2349
01:43:14,240 --> 01:43:11,280
like that it means it has to be prepped

2350
01:43:16,790 --> 01:43:14,250
and fueled and a pilot waiting that kind

2351
01:43:19,160 --> 01:43:16,800
of instantaneous response is indicative

2352
01:43:22,009 --> 01:43:19,170
of something larger going on out there

2353
01:43:24,859 --> 01:43:22,019
it might be an interesting question here

2354
01:43:27,439 --> 01:43:24,869
from Steve see who's been a member of

2355
01:43:30,770 --> 01:43:27,449
the para cast forum since November 2011

2356
01:43:32,930 --> 01:43:30,780
and he like a bunch of people has quite

2357
01:43:34,609 --> 01:43:32,940
a number of questions but I want to ask

2358
01:43:38,180 --> 01:43:34,619
this one I I think it's an interesting

2359
01:43:40,729 --> 01:43:38,190
one Jeb did Bigelow's a team up there

2360
01:43:42,910 --> 01:43:40,739
ever find any sort of bugging devices or

2361
01:43:45,160 --> 01:43:42,920
monitoring devices in the home

2362
01:43:47,470 --> 01:43:45,170
or in the surrounding area around the

2363
01:43:51,640 --> 01:43:47,480
home on the ranch did you ever encounter

2364
01:43:54,250 --> 01:43:51,650
any sort of like unknown electronic

2365
01:43:57,820 --> 01:43:54,260
equipment that didn't seem to be part of

2366
01:43:59,470 --> 01:43:57,830
your particular routine no I didn't

2367
01:44:02,170 --> 01:43:59,480
encounter anything that I didn't know

2368
01:44:03,750 --> 01:44:02,180
was already there how many cameras do

2369
01:44:07,960 --> 01:44:03,760
they have set up there to your knowledge

2370
01:44:13,270 --> 01:44:07,970
none so there's no monitoring the ranch

2371
01:44:15,820 --> 01:44:13,280
none none whatsoever there's the post

2372
01:44:17,710 --> 01:44:15,830
that they have up with the little deals

2373
01:44:19,960 --> 01:44:17,720
that look like there's a video camera in

2374
01:44:23,710 --> 01:44:19,970
it there's nothing in it is nice and

2375
01:44:26,080 --> 01:44:23,720
wires Rancho so it's like one of those

2376
01:44:28,540 --> 01:44:26,090
fake security camera enclosures that you

2377
01:44:30,850 --> 01:44:28,550
can buy online for like $5 just to make

2378
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:30,860
it seem like there's a camera it's a

2379
01:44:35,980 --> 01:44:33,530
placebo basically you know this evil

2380
01:44:37,540 --> 01:44:35,990
effects what they're doing but uh at one

2381
01:44:40,090 --> 01:44:37,550
point I believe they did have the

2382
01:44:42,520 --> 01:44:40,100
cameras hooked up well there's that

2383
01:44:44,230 --> 01:44:42,530
famous story of the one camera observing

2384
01:44:46,330 --> 01:44:44,240
the other camera when it had on the

2385
01:44:47,980 --> 01:44:46,340
wires jerked out and when they looked at

2386
01:44:49,450 --> 01:44:47,990
the image of the camera observing it

2387
01:44:51,100 --> 01:44:49,460
they they didn't see anything they just

2388
01:44:53,140 --> 01:44:51,110
saw the light blinking and that was it

2389
01:44:55,330 --> 01:44:53,150
yeah we don't know they're not they're

2390
01:44:57,160 --> 01:44:55,340
not hooked up at all anymore nothing

2391
01:45:00,280 --> 01:44:57,170
they don't even have like they have the

2392
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:00,290
old old little bitty like 5-inch screen

2393
01:45:05,530 --> 01:45:04,010
monitors that are inside the trailer but

2394
01:45:08,500 --> 01:45:05,540
they're just thrown in the closet

2395
01:45:11,680 --> 01:45:08,510
there's no wires ran nothing just just a

2396
01:45:13,330 --> 01:45:11,690
junk pile now okay this is low-tech we

2397
01:45:15,940 --> 01:45:13,340
have chip joining us with David

2398
01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:15,950
Weatherly and Ryan Skinner with gene and

2399
01:45:27,910 --> 01:45:19,010
Chris you're in the para cast

2400
01:45:30,130 --> 01:45:27,920
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2461
01:48:03,990 --> 01:48:01,929
here's Jane Steinberg for more segments

2462
01:48:06,240 --> 01:48:04,000
we're talking to the Sherman Ranch

2463
01:48:07,859 --> 01:48:06,250
insider his name is chip or at least

2464
01:48:10,709 --> 01:48:07,869
that's the name he'll be known by on the

2465
01:48:12,990 --> 01:48:10,719
show we have David Weatherly and Ryan

2466
01:48:15,930 --> 01:48:13,000
scare both investigators and Christopher

2467
01:48:18,089 --> 01:48:15,940
O'Brien who does lots of stuff right

2468
01:48:20,189 --> 01:48:18,099
Chris I've been known to do a thing or

2469
01:48:22,709 --> 01:48:20,199
two we've got some more questions to

2470
01:48:25,260 --> 01:48:22,719
plow through oh man do we we've answered

2471
01:48:27,149 --> 01:48:25,270
a bunch of them but here's one that's

2472
01:48:30,060 --> 01:48:27,159
interesting and I think it should go to

2473
01:48:30,689 --> 01:48:30,070
chip first and then let's dump tail off

2474
01:48:33,720 --> 01:48:30,699
to Ryan

2475
01:48:35,819 --> 01:48:33,730
can anyone expand on why some people

2476
01:48:37,890 --> 01:48:35,829
seem to get a positive vibe at the ranch

2477
01:48:40,080 --> 01:48:37,900
whereas many others seem to experience

2478
01:48:43,439 --> 01:48:40,090
if not mental malevolence then pretty

2479
01:48:44,939 --> 01:48:43,449
next nasty trick Strich behavior are

2480
01:48:46,500 --> 01:48:44,949
there any theories that you guys are

2481
01:48:49,350 --> 01:48:46,510
aware of as why this might be happening

2482
01:48:51,810 --> 01:48:49,360
in terms of what knits they're thinking

2483
01:48:53,850 --> 01:48:51,820
is or I mean how does that strike you

2484
01:48:55,979 --> 01:48:53,860
you mentioned the hair standing up on

2485
01:48:59,160 --> 01:48:55,989
your neck dogs rolling over and and

2486
01:49:02,339 --> 01:48:59,170
being submissive did you ever get any

2487
01:49:05,700 --> 01:49:02,349
real feelings of terror or elation

2488
01:49:07,529 --> 01:49:05,710
euphoria that sort of thing - not really

2489
01:49:09,089 --> 01:49:07,539
just like I said like the hair would

2490
01:49:10,979 --> 01:49:09,099
stand for the back of my neck the dogs

2491
01:49:13,080 --> 01:49:10,989
would roll over you know there would be

2492
01:49:14,100 --> 01:49:13,090
a few times where I just felt like sick

2493
01:49:16,169 --> 01:49:14,110
to my stomach

2494
01:49:18,390 --> 01:49:16,179
probably walking and it's not like I

2495
01:49:20,700 --> 01:49:18,400
hate II mean like heavyset like a bunch

2496
01:49:22,439 --> 01:49:20,710
of Mexican food or anything I just I

2497
01:49:24,959 --> 01:49:22,449
felt fine and I'd be walking and then

2498
01:49:26,910 --> 01:49:24,969
you kind of almost feel like II I got

2499
01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:26,920
punched but not not that extreme just

2500
01:49:31,770 --> 01:49:29,530
like sick like you're gonna like crap

2501
01:49:33,600 --> 01:49:31,780
yourself almost you know but I didn't

2502
01:49:36,120 --> 01:49:33,610
anything bad so it wasn't like a food

2503
01:49:37,890 --> 01:49:36,130
poisoning type thing and then stand

2504
01:49:39,839 --> 01:49:37,900
there for a minute and breakfast and

2505
01:49:42,060 --> 01:49:39,849
walk a little more and it would go away

2506
01:49:43,709 --> 01:49:42,070
but it's just I had that happen to me a

2507
01:49:45,060 --> 01:49:43,719
few times out there and it was and a

2508
01:49:46,680 --> 01:49:45,070
couple of the other guards had the same

2509
01:49:49,229 --> 01:49:46,690
thing where they just felt sick to their

2510
01:49:52,410 --> 01:49:49,239
stomach and you know I I don't know how

2511
01:49:53,970 --> 01:49:52,420
to explain that I there's you know and

2512
01:49:56,430 --> 01:49:53,980
it's not like like I said it was food

2513
01:49:58,109 --> 01:49:56,440
poisoning and it's happening to multiple

2514
01:49:58,559 --> 01:49:58,119
guards and all that it it's something

2515
01:50:01,759 --> 01:49:58,569
though

2516
01:50:04,139 --> 01:50:01,769
there's some type of energy or something

2517
01:50:06,509 --> 01:50:04,149
something different that you know the

2518
01:50:08,039 --> 01:50:06,519
regular American populace does not know

2519
01:50:11,179 --> 01:50:08,049
about doesn't have a clue about I don't

2520
01:50:12,959 --> 01:50:11,189
have a cool about and I was even there

2521
01:50:16,079 --> 01:50:12,969
definitely unexplainable but

2522
01:50:18,209 --> 01:50:16,089
extraordinary but I'm gonna have to get

2523
01:50:20,569 --> 01:50:18,219
off here guys I'm still working so oh

2524
01:50:23,039 --> 01:50:20,579
yeah I got I'm at my next call here so

2525
01:50:25,169 --> 01:50:23,049
well we really appreciate you coming on

2526
01:50:27,119 --> 01:50:25,179
this has been actually quite historic

2527
01:50:28,949 --> 01:50:27,129
you're the first person ever directly

2528
01:50:31,289 --> 01:50:28,959
involved with that particular operation

2529
01:50:32,219 --> 01:50:31,299
up there to come forward in the public

2530
01:50:34,199 --> 01:50:32,229
arena

2531
01:50:36,119 --> 01:50:34,209
and be willing to talk about their

2532
01:50:38,129 --> 01:50:36,129
experiences we'd love to have you on for

2533
01:50:39,539 --> 01:50:38,139
a follow up show at some point chip we

2534
01:50:47,219 --> 01:50:39,549
really appreciate you coming onto the

2535
01:50:49,079 --> 01:50:47,229
para cast I'll be your huckleberry just

2536
01:50:51,239 --> 01:50:49,089
give me a little bit of a heads up and

2537
01:50:54,479 --> 01:50:51,249
that we can try you know shoot for a

2538
01:50:57,179 --> 01:50:54,489
little later like weekend or like a

2539
01:50:58,859 --> 01:50:57,189
Friday Friday night and we can talk

2540
01:51:00,899 --> 01:50:58,869
about it or whatever that way I'm not

2541
01:51:02,609 --> 01:51:00,909
interrupted with work we are really

2542
01:51:05,189 --> 01:51:02,619
grateful to have you on the show and

2543
01:51:07,439 --> 01:51:05,199
elicit your insights as somebody who was

2544
01:51:09,509 --> 01:51:07,449
there thank you very much for joining us

2545
01:51:12,509 --> 01:51:09,519
on the fara cast thank you for having

2546
01:51:14,789 --> 01:51:12,519
that ladies and gentlemen was chip

2547
01:51:16,829 --> 01:51:14,799
he's a Sherman Ranch insider he says

2548
01:51:20,639 --> 01:51:16,839
that he worked there in security from

2549
01:51:24,539 --> 01:51:20,649
parts of 2009 and 2010 and now he has

2550
01:51:26,489 --> 01:51:24,549
gone off into the ether yeah and let's

2551
01:51:31,889 --> 01:51:26,499
hope a man in black doesn't show up with

2552
01:51:33,959 --> 01:51:31,899
a budget Suites Hotel ID badge oh we

2553
01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:33,969
can't have one of those happening okay

2554
01:51:38,939 --> 01:51:36,010
we've got tons and tons and tons and I

2555
01:51:40,649 --> 01:51:38,949
say tons tons of questions of our

2556
01:51:46,679 --> 01:51:40,659
remaining guests David Weatherly and

2557
01:51:48,569 --> 01:51:46,689
Ryan Skinner Chris let's move the

2558
01:51:50,459 --> 01:51:48,579
emotional connection regarding yeah yeah

2559
01:51:52,020 --> 01:51:50,469
let's uh I wanted actually to get

2560
01:51:57,259 --> 01:51:52,030
feedback from both Ryan and David on

2561
01:52:03,029 --> 01:52:00,899
either of you have ever known pardon

2562
01:52:07,739 --> 01:52:03,039
you don't know chip at all in neither of

2563
01:52:09,509 --> 01:52:07,749
you know I probably wouldn't want it but

2564
01:52:12,420 --> 01:52:09,519
I did want to comment on the emotional

2565
01:52:15,390 --> 01:52:12,430
connection to the ranch again I'm

2566
01:52:18,840 --> 01:52:15,400
I'm as far as you can be almost as far

2567
01:52:22,070 --> 01:52:18,850
as gonna be from the ranch and it does

2568
01:52:26,820 --> 01:52:22,080
have some sort of most emotional elation

2569
01:52:30,930 --> 01:52:26,830
being out on the property there is a an

2570
01:52:31,920 --> 01:52:30,940
elation excitement a mystery every time

2571
01:52:34,200 --> 01:52:31,930
you're out there's something about the

2572
01:52:37,040 --> 01:52:34,210
region and specifically that area

2573
01:52:40,770 --> 01:52:37,050
there's a euphoria type of feeling

2574
01:52:50,490 --> 01:52:40,780
euphoria yes manic euphoria I mean

2575
01:52:52,410 --> 01:52:50,500
almost read it's the opposite there's a

2576
01:52:55,020 --> 01:52:52,420
whole plethora of emotions that go

2577
01:52:59,100 --> 01:52:55,030
through go through the experience of one

2578
01:53:01,080 --> 01:52:59,110
out there but just just being in that

2579
01:53:04,140 --> 01:53:01,090
land prior to the parts of the night

2580
01:53:06,150 --> 01:53:04,150
coming on just absolutely for real and

2581
01:53:08,970 --> 01:53:06,160
I've seen other investigators experience

2582
01:53:13,170 --> 01:53:08,980
the same sort of a manic high if you

2583
01:53:15,510 --> 01:53:13,180
will from being on the property we don't

2584
01:53:17,220 --> 01:53:15,520
know specifically what to relate that to

2585
01:53:20,820 --> 01:53:17,230
or where it's coming from but there is

2586
01:53:23,160 --> 01:53:20,830
an emotional anomaly I guess versus

2587
01:53:26,820 --> 01:53:23,170
every other location or hot spot that I

2588
01:53:29,880 --> 01:53:26,830
visited now that also can change

2589
01:53:33,870 --> 01:53:29,890
dramatically shift gears to do the

2590
01:53:37,950 --> 01:53:33,880
opposite emotional reaction of a fear

2591
01:53:40,670 --> 01:53:37,960
panic and sheer terror out there I

2592
01:53:45,300 --> 01:53:40,680
remember one incident where I was

2593
01:53:48,360 --> 01:53:45,310
observing things at the ranch and I was

2594
01:53:49,860 --> 01:53:48,370
with a group of investigators in new

2595
01:53:51,900 --> 01:53:49,870
coming from so far away I mean these

2596
01:53:53,330 --> 01:53:51,910
guys are local they wanted to go home

2597
01:53:55,830 --> 01:53:53,340
early

2598
01:53:57,570 --> 01:53:55,840
it's a financial toll for me to come out

2599
01:54:00,510 --> 01:53:57,580
there so I wanted to stick around a

2600
01:54:02,910 --> 01:54:00,520
little bit later and now I am a mile

2601
01:54:06,450 --> 01:54:02,920
deep into the desert alone by myself

2602
01:54:09,210 --> 01:54:06,460
which I'm still perfectly fine still

2603
01:54:12,780 --> 01:54:09,220
riding that high having a great time and

2604
01:54:14,370 --> 01:54:12,790
any leaves uh suddenly I'm out there

2605
01:54:15,750 --> 01:54:14,380
another half hour I decide to pack up

2606
01:54:18,180 --> 01:54:15,760
nothing's happening there's nothing to

2607
01:54:20,850 --> 01:54:18,190
observe so I packed my gear sir walking

2608
01:54:23,700 --> 01:54:20,860
back towards base camp and as I'm

2609
01:54:26,319 --> 01:54:23,710
walking back a light a ball of light

2610
01:54:28,899 --> 01:54:26,329
pops up over one of these ridge lines

2611
01:54:31,330 --> 01:54:28,909
and that's exactly why I'm there I'm

2612
01:54:32,649 --> 01:54:31,340
there to document it I want to

2613
01:54:34,629 --> 01:54:32,659
experience doesn't want to be a part of

2614
01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:34,639
it I want to find out how this relates

2615
01:54:38,770 --> 01:54:37,010
to Todd's in general is this military

2616
01:54:40,750 --> 01:54:38,780
you just just I want the truth and the

2617
01:54:42,700 --> 01:54:40,760
answers and suddenly agree up for my

2618
01:54:45,220 --> 01:54:42,710
camera like I've always done and it's so

2619
01:54:49,750 --> 01:54:45,230
grand my camera it's intense fear

2620
01:54:52,000 --> 01:54:49,760
overcomes my whole body and rather than

2621
01:54:53,950 --> 01:54:52,010
filming it I end up dropping my camera

2622
01:54:57,720 --> 01:54:53,960
on the ground shattering it speakers and

2623
01:55:00,549 --> 01:54:57,730
running in a natural state of panic and

2624
01:55:04,149 --> 01:55:00,559
I'm ripping my clothes and jumping over

2625
01:55:06,640 --> 01:55:04,159
boulders almost I get the impression

2626
01:55:07,990 --> 01:55:06,650
that I'm actually not just running for

2627
01:55:10,109 --> 01:55:08,000
some unknown reason I'm running for my

2628
01:55:12,459 --> 01:55:10,119
life at this point and this light is now

2629
01:55:17,200 --> 01:55:12,469
floating over this Ridgeline coming

2630
01:55:19,359 --> 01:55:17,210
directly towards me and long story long

2631
01:55:21,220 --> 01:55:19,369
story short I'm ducky and leaving and

2632
01:55:24,189 --> 01:55:21,230
running at a as fast as I can possibly

2633
01:55:26,799 --> 01:55:24,199
go and the light is slowly coming

2634
01:55:28,689 --> 01:55:26,809
towards me and it eventually winks out

2635
01:55:31,330 --> 01:55:28,699
and make it back to base camp but I

2636
01:55:33,430 --> 01:55:31,340
notice that that state of raw terror and

2637
01:55:33,910 --> 01:55:33,440
panic I've never experienced that in my

2638
01:55:36,609 --> 01:55:33,920
life

2639
01:55:38,649 --> 01:55:36,619
and nobody will really know how they're

2640
01:55:41,290 --> 01:55:38,659
going to react to the unknown until they

2641
01:55:42,939 --> 01:55:41,300
have experienced firsthand wood which

2642
01:55:44,500 --> 01:55:42,949
I've done in the past of the wretched

2643
01:55:46,810 --> 01:55:44,510
this was completely different it was

2644
01:55:50,200 --> 01:55:46,820
almost as if whatever it was had an

2645
01:55:53,049 --> 01:55:50,210
emotional reaction that it it created

2646
01:55:55,750 --> 01:55:53,059
within me and I was pretty surprised by

2647
01:55:58,359 --> 01:55:55,760
that comment sighs you're lucky you

2648
01:55:59,799 --> 01:55:58,369
didn't break a leg run into that

2649
01:56:05,680 --> 01:55:59,809
environment at night with a flashlight

2650
01:56:07,660 --> 01:56:05,690
boy I can tell you that is not what I

2651
01:56:09,250 --> 01:56:07,670
was afraid it with no work was that it

2652
01:56:12,729 --> 01:56:09,260
had a turn the flashlight on so I left

2653
01:56:14,350 --> 01:56:12,739
the light off it was even more it seemed

2654
01:56:16,450 --> 01:56:14,360
just like one of the horror movies like

2655
01:56:19,629 --> 01:56:16,460
a paranormal activity kind of movie I

2656
01:56:21,160 --> 01:56:19,639
know we can get the UFO Hunters of

2657
01:56:23,589 --> 01:56:21,170
chasing UFOs we get the night-vision

2658
01:56:24,760 --> 01:56:23,599
goggles and we'll send them over there

2659
01:56:28,419 --> 01:56:24,770
and see if they don't get thrown out

2660
01:56:30,339 --> 01:56:28,429
will change James Fox to the gate yes

2661
01:56:37,680 --> 01:56:30,349
all night and we'll have that lipstick

2662
01:56:42,820 --> 01:56:39,970
sorry gene I couldn't resist

2663
01:56:44,710 --> 01:56:42,830
like James I feel for him Ryan you

2664
01:56:47,350 --> 01:56:44,720
mentioned they're really interesting a

2665
01:56:51,360 --> 01:56:47,360
very close proximity encounter that you

2666
01:56:53,890 --> 01:56:51,370
had that that really defies belief

2667
01:56:55,479 --> 01:56:53,900
although having done the amount of

2668
01:57:00,160 --> 01:56:55,489
research that I've done and David has

2669
01:57:02,710 --> 01:57:00,170
done up there your experience doesn't

2670
01:57:06,340 --> 01:57:02,720
surprise me it has to do with one of the

2671
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the more celebrated forums that have

2672
01:57:09,190 --> 01:57:07,730
been seen up there and that's a giant

2673
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wolf you want to describe that event for

2674
01:57:13,270 --> 01:57:11,150
us but you'll have to do in our next

2675
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segment because this is what we call the

2676
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cliffhanger this is where we drive up

2677
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the anticipation of some great

2678
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discussions coming our guests will also

2679
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answer more of your messages we're

2680
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talking with David Weatherly and Ryan

2681
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Skinner with gene and Chris you're in

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2779
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2780
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better we'd like to hear from you if you

2781
02:01:44,520 --> 02:01:43,460
have a comment or question about the

2782
02:01:49,140 --> 02:01:44,530
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2783
02:01:52,080 --> 02:01:49,150
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2784
02:01:54,000 --> 02:01:52,090
at the para caste calm and don't forget

2785
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2786
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2787
02:02:05,399 --> 02:02:02,739
we'll hear that description what Chris

2788
02:02:08,189 --> 02:02:05,409
asks for Chris O'Brien Jean Steinberg

2789
02:02:13,200 --> 02:02:08,199
Ryan Skinner David Weatherly and we are

2790
02:02:15,839 --> 02:02:13,210
waiting the answer chapter 10 tired of

2791
02:02:18,629 --> 02:02:15,849
this interview I wrote down just with a

2792
02:02:20,069 --> 02:02:18,639
book worth of different experiences and

2793
02:02:22,589 --> 02:02:20,079
what's interesting is the majority of

2794
02:02:25,350 --> 02:02:22,599
them parallel a lot of the experiences

2795
02:02:27,359 --> 02:02:25,360
that occurred in the book however there

2796
02:02:30,540 --> 02:02:27,369
is one one experience which stood up

2797
02:02:34,109 --> 02:02:30,550
from the other you know that's a lot

2798
02:02:35,970 --> 02:02:34,119
closer a close encounter that I prefer

2799
02:02:40,319 --> 02:02:35,980
to stand back and observe and not being

2800
02:02:41,879 --> 02:02:40,329
part of the being observed myself on

2801
02:02:45,330 --> 02:02:41,889
this particular day I was supposed to

2802
02:02:48,540 --> 02:02:45,340
head back to Wisconsin and I missed my

2803
02:02:49,919 --> 02:02:48,550
flight so interesting enough I decide to

2804
02:02:51,990 --> 02:02:49,929
go back to the ranch of course I'm going

2805
02:02:54,270 --> 02:02:52,000
to be there an extra night and as we're

2806
02:02:58,020 --> 02:02:54,280
walking up about Twilight at this point

2807
02:02:59,609 --> 02:02:58,030
I'm with another researcher and as which

2808
02:03:01,790 --> 02:02:59,619
we've done many times we walked up the

2809
02:03:04,109 --> 02:03:01,800
ridge and we look down into the ranch

2810
02:03:06,330 --> 02:03:04,119
and wait for something happened however

2811
02:03:08,520 --> 02:03:06,340
this this particular incident we look

2812
02:03:11,279 --> 02:03:08,530
down into the ridge and instead of just

2813
02:03:13,529 --> 02:03:11,289
seeing the ranch property and up the

2814
02:03:16,290 --> 02:03:13,539
guards walking around we see about eight

2815
02:03:18,649 --> 02:03:16,300
balls of light they're floating in air

2816
02:03:21,689 --> 02:03:18,659
or the Bob the ranch and in the field

2817
02:03:23,520 --> 02:03:21,699
just hovering around so we snap right

2818
02:03:26,069 --> 02:03:23,530
back into the reason we're there which

2819
02:03:28,830 --> 02:03:26,079
is to document research and videotaping

2820
02:03:30,629 --> 02:03:28,840
everything we possibly can and this was

2821
02:03:33,180 --> 02:03:30,639
going on for a good 20 minutes and we

2822
02:03:34,799 --> 02:03:33,190
have the most amazing video I'm fully

2823
02:03:36,240 --> 02:03:34,809
convinced at this point that you know

2824
02:03:37,859 --> 02:03:36,250
when I bring this when I share this on

2825
02:03:39,000 --> 02:03:37,869
YouTube or wherever we put it people

2826
02:03:40,890 --> 02:03:39,010
aren't going to have any doubt in their

2827
02:03:42,870 --> 02:03:40,900
mind other than maybe a computer CGI

2828
02:03:44,370 --> 02:03:42,880
animation or something that this was the

2829
02:03:46,350 --> 02:03:44,380
real deal and we find the cache or

2830
02:03:47,810 --> 02:03:46,360
whatever going out there in clear light

2831
02:03:50,689 --> 02:03:47,820
because it there's still light outside

2832
02:03:54,870 --> 02:03:50,699
these pods of lights and I remember the

2833
02:03:57,810 --> 02:03:54,880
flew up to there's like a transformer on

2834
02:03:58,340 --> 02:03:57,820
the property and two of the lights flew

2835
02:04:00,320 --> 02:03:58,350
up near the

2836
02:04:03,080 --> 02:04:00,330
former and they knocked out the power to

2837
02:04:05,110 --> 02:04:03,090
be severe inch and once that had

2838
02:04:07,250 --> 02:04:05,120
happened the guard came out of there

2839
02:04:08,630 --> 02:04:07,260
they have a little card trailer on the

2840
02:04:10,070 --> 02:04:08,640
property they came out of the trailer

2841
02:04:11,330 --> 02:04:10,080
and said looking around trying to figure

2842
02:04:13,100 --> 02:04:11,340
out what had happened

2843
02:04:15,530 --> 02:04:13,110
now what surprised me the most about

2844
02:04:17,120 --> 02:04:15,540
this was not just a positive lad and

2845
02:04:19,820 --> 02:04:17,130
everything else would cancel the guards

2846
02:04:21,290 --> 02:04:19,830
for walking around several of these

2847
02:04:24,890 --> 02:04:21,300
balls of light would come directly

2848
02:04:27,170 --> 02:04:24,900
behind the guards as if as if the guard

2849
02:04:28,790 --> 02:04:27,180
had no idea that these things were

2850
02:04:31,730 --> 02:04:28,800
directly behind them and that that only

2851
02:04:33,500 --> 02:04:31,740
us as the observer could witness what

2852
02:04:36,440 --> 02:04:33,510
was happening and that they were either

2853
02:04:38,750 --> 02:04:36,450
clueless or working together with woody

2854
02:04:40,280 --> 02:04:38,760
falls of life which after speaking with

2855
02:04:43,760 --> 02:04:40,290
if it doesn't sound like that's the case

2856
02:04:46,580 --> 02:04:43,770
I again I'm just fat neither can't wait

2857
02:04:48,470 --> 02:04:46,590
to have lost the exposes so I can't wait

2858
02:04:50,450 --> 02:04:48,480
to bring it through to life everyone

2859
02:04:52,280 --> 02:04:50,460
else to show what's going on and

2860
02:04:54,620 --> 02:04:52,290
suddenly three of the balls of light

2861
02:04:57,200 --> 02:04:54,630
we're now good half half mile away

2862
02:04:59,570 --> 02:04:57,210
observing everything complete we had

2863
02:05:01,430 --> 02:04:59,580
nobody could see us even with night

2864
02:05:03,740 --> 02:05:01,440
vision thermal we're too far away and

2865
02:05:05,300 --> 02:05:03,750
wealthy far hidden suddenly three of

2866
02:05:08,780 --> 02:05:05,310
these fathers like detached from the

2867
02:05:10,730 --> 02:05:08,790
group they're coming in our direction as

2868
02:05:12,860 --> 02:05:10,740
the slowly approaching the blink I'm

2869
02:05:14,690 --> 02:05:12,870
real bright and then they'll be inbound

2870
02:05:17,540 --> 02:05:14,700
and nothing and once we dim down to

2871
02:05:20,780 --> 02:05:17,550
nothing we have a free advanced optics

2872
02:05:23,330 --> 02:05:20,790
were or looking at them scrutinizing

2873
02:05:25,010 --> 02:05:23,340
each one and as he did I'm enough there

2874
02:05:27,290 --> 02:05:25,020
really is nothing there there there's no

2875
02:05:29,600 --> 02:05:27,300
structure there's no chemical device

2876
02:05:32,570 --> 02:05:29,610
behind this and they're coming closer

2877
02:05:34,310 --> 02:05:32,580
and closer again we're pretty high on

2878
02:05:36,200 --> 02:05:34,320
the ridge and I'm just assuming you hope

2879
02:05:39,620 --> 02:05:36,210
or hoping that they're just gonna pass

2880
02:05:40,970 --> 02:05:39,630
by they demo it again you don't see them

2881
02:05:44,240 --> 02:05:40,980
for a little bit about five minutes

2882
02:05:47,750 --> 02:05:44,250
passes and suddenly directly over a head

2883
02:05:51,080 --> 02:05:47,760
three of these basketball like orange

2884
02:05:53,720 --> 02:05:51,090
and yellow light beam alike directly

2885
02:05:56,180 --> 02:05:53,730
down on our position and I would have

2886
02:05:58,070 --> 02:05:56,190
seen if if I could to a rock or even

2887
02:06:00,140 --> 02:05:58,080
jump pretty high I could have touched

2888
02:06:02,870 --> 02:06:00,150
one of these is how close they were to

2889
02:06:05,300 --> 02:06:02,880
us at that point in you uh we were no

2890
02:06:07,490 --> 02:06:05,310
longer the observers again we were being

2891
02:06:10,450 --> 02:06:07,500
observe and whatever it was was very

2892
02:06:12,170 --> 02:06:10,460
aware of where we were our location I

2893
02:06:15,980 --> 02:06:12,180
get a little nervous

2894
02:06:19,580 --> 02:06:15,990
points part of her doing the Recon out

2895
02:06:22,040 --> 02:06:19,590
there is being being illegal distance

2896
02:06:22,670 --> 02:06:22,050
away from the ranch property and also

2897
02:06:24,590 --> 02:06:22,680
nada

2898
02:06:26,470 --> 02:06:24,600
hurting any kind of problems or

2899
02:06:29,210 --> 02:06:26,480
interacting directly with it and

2900
02:06:30,590 --> 02:06:29,220
suddenly we're ducking down behind a

2901
02:06:31,820 --> 02:06:30,600
rock at this point whatever it is I'm

2902
02:06:36,650 --> 02:06:31,830
kind of hoping it's just going to pass

2903
02:06:38,540 --> 02:06:36,660
by and it doesn't if it lands roughly

2904
02:06:40,850 --> 02:06:38,550
about 10 or 15 feet right in front of us

2905
02:06:43,370 --> 02:06:40,860
on the ground and flashes this intent

2906
02:06:45,020 --> 02:06:43,380
green and yellow light from the rock

2907
02:06:47,360 --> 02:06:45,030
wall right behind it's lighting up the

2908
02:06:49,100 --> 02:06:47,370
whole wall and I realize at this point

2909
02:06:51,470 --> 02:06:49,110
what I've been looking for for all this

2910
02:06:53,600 --> 02:06:51,480
time is no longer gonna see at a

2911
02:06:55,940 --> 02:06:53,610
distance it's gonna be I mean it's right

2912
02:06:58,430 --> 02:06:55,950
there it's coming up right now on I'm

2913
02:06:59,600 --> 02:06:58,440
gonna fit I don't and I don't know if

2914
02:07:02,840 --> 02:06:59,610
I'm prepared to see you have to tell you

2915
02:07:04,640 --> 02:07:02,850
the truth well whether or not it's

2916
02:07:07,760 --> 02:07:04,650
coming so I keep it up over the rock

2917
02:07:09,200 --> 02:07:07,770
wall and what what I see is the light

2918
02:07:13,310 --> 02:07:09,210
has gone at this point which is this

2919
02:07:15,790 --> 02:07:13,320
black swirling if Miss and smoke is how

2920
02:07:18,650 --> 02:07:15,800
I would describe it but but a smoke is

2921
02:07:20,780 --> 02:07:18,660
translucent and it has no substance but

2922
02:07:24,230 --> 02:07:20,790
what we saw it was like a smoke whip

2923
02:07:26,720 --> 02:07:24,240
with a body almost as if like a gelatin

2924
02:07:29,930 --> 02:07:26,730
smoke like moving through the air the

2925
02:07:33,680 --> 02:07:29,940
cola left into the shape of a wolf which

2926
02:07:36,110 --> 02:07:33,690
is now standing approaches up and now I

2927
02:07:38,060 --> 02:07:36,120
keep away from up there enough directly

2928
02:07:41,450 --> 02:07:38,070
in the eye this is a regular wolf not

2929
02:07:44,420 --> 02:07:41,460
two-legged wolf it's not yes it is on

2930
02:07:46,130 --> 02:07:44,430
four legs it's not standing up there's

2931
02:07:48,920 --> 02:07:46,140
no communication between the wolf and

2932
02:07:50,630 --> 02:07:48,930
ourselves it's a very large wolf with a

2933
02:07:52,550 --> 02:07:50,640
long bushy tails the one thing I

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remember it was kind of matted and dirty

2935
02:07:59,690 --> 02:07:56,160
and I guess through other justanswer

2936
02:08:01,340 --> 02:07:59,700
shock completely all of the story told

2937
02:08:02,660 --> 02:08:01,350
to remind everything I'm expecting to

2938
02:08:04,490 --> 02:08:02,670
happen that you know I didn't know that

2939
02:08:08,450 --> 02:08:04,500
helium was an approach or a military

2940
02:08:10,820 --> 02:08:08,460
person right I have no idea but uh there

2941
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was the last thing I was expecting was a

2942
02:08:15,800 --> 02:08:13,200
wolf to be sitting right on me I had no

2943
02:08:18,830 --> 02:08:15,810
idea how to react not well run do i

2944
02:08:20,330 --> 02:08:18,840
attack do i pretty god I hate I didn't

2945
02:08:22,160 --> 02:08:20,340
know what to do her we just groped in

2946
02:08:24,530 --> 02:08:22,170
camera so give us a

2947
02:08:27,650 --> 02:08:24,540
an approximate distance away from you I

2948
02:08:30,620 --> 02:08:27,660
mean how far away was this this this

2949
02:08:31,490 --> 02:08:30,630
shadow the ball light landed about 15

2950
02:08:33,800 --> 02:08:31,500
feet from us

2951
02:08:35,240 --> 02:08:33,810
the wolf approached within 5 feet I

2952
02:08:40,730 --> 02:08:35,250
could have reached over and touched it

2953
02:08:44,300 --> 02:08:40,740
too close way too close and for a good

2954
02:08:47,000 --> 02:08:44,310
three minutes it stood there and simply

2955
02:08:49,280 --> 02:08:47,010
observe didn't it's in growl or

2956
02:08:51,650 --> 02:08:49,290
displaying the aggressive behavior and

2957
02:08:54,110 --> 02:08:51,660
absolutely did not display any behavior

2958
02:08:56,690 --> 02:08:54,120
of fear or anything else that you would

2959
02:08:59,120 --> 02:08:56,700
expect out of a a while motioning to

2960
02:09:00,710 --> 02:08:59,130
humans at home okay fast question here

2961
02:09:02,540 --> 02:09:00,720
did you see anything unusual about it

2962
02:09:06,020 --> 02:09:02,550
like glowing eyes or something like that

2963
02:09:07,310 --> 02:09:06,030
a good question no I did not know we

2964
02:09:08,930 --> 02:09:07,320
were trying to communicate with it I

2965
02:09:10,520 --> 02:09:08,940
remember that I remember that

2966
02:09:15,040 --> 02:09:10,530
specifically there was no communication

2967
02:09:17,720 --> 02:09:15,050
there was no glowing eyes nothing hey

2968
02:09:18,650 --> 02:09:17,730
I'd like the story to be more dramatic

2969
02:09:20,900 --> 02:09:18,660
but there really was nothing that

2970
02:09:23,240 --> 02:09:20,910
paranormal about the wolf itself other

2971
02:09:29,060 --> 02:09:23,250
than the sheer size of it and it

2972
02:09:30,950 --> 02:09:29,070
dramatic entrance that kind of dovetails

2973
02:09:33,380 --> 02:09:30,960
into a question from Ward who's been a

2974
02:09:36,590 --> 02:09:33,390
longtime member of the forum at the

2975
02:09:38,750 --> 02:09:36,600
forum dr. Perry cast calm and he asked

2976
02:09:41,060 --> 02:09:38,760
the emotion of fear over and over comes

2977
02:09:43,430 --> 02:09:41,070
up in this case not just fear of the

2978
02:09:45,230 --> 02:09:43,440
unknown but artificially generated fear

2979
02:09:46,130 --> 02:09:45,240
in the form of what George Knapp called

2980
02:09:48,800 --> 02:09:46,140
the Blue Meanies

2981
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those glowing blue lights that elicit

2982
02:09:53,420 --> 02:09:51,090
unnatural fear and the witnesses the

2983
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phenomenon seems to thrive on an

2984
02:09:58,790 --> 02:09:56,310
atmosphere of fear could this be one of

2985
02:10:01,310 --> 02:09:58,800
the primary reasons for these events is

2986
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to harvest fear from who whomever may be

2987
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in the area I mean based on your

2988
02:10:07,910 --> 02:10:05,610
description here it sounds like your

2989
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fear may have been somehow generating

2990
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the actual manifestation of the

2991
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phenomenon right in front of you what do

2992
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investments yet no word about IRAs if

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3086
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3087
02:15:01,529 --> 02:14:59,139
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3088
02:15:03,979 --> 02:15:01,539
answer about the fear it's a hard

3089
02:15:06,569 --> 02:15:03,989
question to answer because prior to

3090
02:15:08,729 --> 02:15:06,579
again it's the emotional roller coaster

3091
02:15:11,580 --> 02:15:08,739
if it's a feeding process from whatever

3092
02:15:13,470 --> 02:15:11,590
this is or a military application one of

3093
02:15:15,089 --> 02:15:13,480
the two there's an emotional roller

3094
02:15:17,310 --> 02:15:15,099
coaster going on I mean as we're

3095
02:15:19,560 --> 02:15:17,320
witnessing the events prior to it being

3096
02:15:20,970 --> 02:15:19,570
right in front of our face there's no

3097
02:15:22,979 --> 02:15:20,980
fear is quite the opposite on the

3098
02:15:24,839 --> 02:15:22,989
elation and we're both having and

3099
02:15:26,790 --> 02:15:24,849
high-fiving each other and this is this

3100
02:15:28,709 --> 02:15:26,800
is what we put our necks out on the line

3101
02:15:30,419 --> 02:15:28,719
for all the time and finally I mean this

3102
02:15:33,990 --> 02:15:30,429
is definitive proof that we're looking

3103
02:15:37,350 --> 02:15:34,000
at versus its standing directly in front

3104
02:15:40,680 --> 02:15:37,360
of us there is an element of dramatic

3105
02:15:44,759 --> 02:15:40,690
fear that perhaps it is feeding off of

3106
02:15:46,589 --> 02:15:44,769
or promoting for unknown reasons so so

3107
02:15:48,990 --> 02:15:46,599
you don't think that your emotional

3108
02:15:50,879 --> 02:15:49,000
response was somehow symbiotically

3109
02:15:52,890 --> 02:15:50,889
involved with a manifestation of the

3110
02:15:54,810 --> 02:15:52,900
event it seemed to be separate from what

3111
02:15:55,259 --> 02:15:54,820
you were experiencing in this case with

3112
02:15:56,850 --> 02:15:55,269
the wolf

3113
02:15:58,500 --> 02:15:56,860
I don't think emotions were necessarily

3114
02:16:00,569 --> 02:15:58,510
played a role in it

3115
02:16:02,640 --> 02:16:00,579
however with the earlier story regarding

3116
02:16:04,859 --> 02:16:02,650
the light when I was left alone and was

3117
02:16:07,080 --> 02:16:04,869
walking back in a ball of light uh

3118
02:16:10,529 --> 02:16:07,090
appeared over the ridge line I believe

3119
02:16:13,589 --> 02:16:10,539
that was an artificial amount of fear

3120
02:16:15,359 --> 02:16:13,599
that was projected engineer that's my

3121
02:16:17,549 --> 02:16:15,369
that's my absolute personal impression I

3122
02:16:19,859 --> 02:16:17,559
mean weeks after that every time I see a

3123
02:16:21,750 --> 02:16:19,869
flashing light at a work zone as I was

3124
02:16:23,149 --> 02:16:21,760
driving by it go into a state of panic

3125
02:16:25,430 --> 02:16:23,159
or loss

3126
02:16:27,879 --> 02:16:25,440
yeah I think there may have been a

3127
02:16:30,950 --> 02:16:27,889
biological an emotional connection with

3128
02:16:33,020 --> 02:16:30,960
one imagine you guys may feel that we

3129
02:16:35,000 --> 02:16:33,030
captured the video that we captured I

3130
02:16:38,330 --> 02:16:35,010
mean this was dynamite stuff this is

3131
02:16:40,669 --> 02:16:38,340
what we did for that video was not only

3132
02:16:42,320 --> 02:16:40,679
a race it was if it never happened the

3133
02:16:44,270 --> 02:16:42,330
timeline as if it never even was

3134
02:16:46,129 --> 02:16:44,280
recorded and we had two separate

3135
02:16:48,110 --> 02:16:46,139
investigators both videotaped and at

3136
02:16:50,810 --> 02:16:48,120
that time you're saying erase how are

3137
02:16:52,969 --> 02:16:50,820
they erased erased isn't the right word

3138
02:16:54,980 --> 02:16:52,979
it's as if the timeline is if that time

3139
02:16:57,620 --> 02:16:54,990
period had never existed on the camera

3140
02:17:00,020 --> 02:16:57,630
okay so if you open in a video editor a

3141
02:17:02,750 --> 02:17:00,030
video when you see a time line which is

3142
02:17:05,240 --> 02:17:02,760
basically chose seven minutes into the

3143
02:17:07,459 --> 02:17:05,250
video this is what happened 18 minutes

3144
02:17:11,330 --> 02:17:07,469
is what happened and like the 18-minute

3145
02:17:13,459 --> 02:17:11,340
gap with after nixon you had a gap where

3146
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the stuff you took was no longer in the

3147
02:17:18,080 --> 02:17:15,300
timeline that's exactly what I'm saying

3148
02:17:21,469 --> 02:17:18,090
which he would not have as a boy it

3149
02:17:24,200 --> 02:17:21,479
happens I just complicates things as a

3150
02:17:25,759 --> 02:17:24,210
researcher cuz dramatically complicates

3151
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things you guys I need a lead line your

3152
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equipment and what how is this being

3153
02:17:35,179 --> 02:17:31,649
well I was gonna say I was up in Jerome

3154
02:17:37,129 --> 02:17:35,189
Arizona doing a documentary on haunted

3155
02:17:38,959 --> 02:17:37,139
sites and was walking down a long

3156
02:17:41,780 --> 02:17:38,969
hallway with no one in the hallway but

3157
02:17:44,540 --> 02:17:41,790
me looking at a twenty two thousand

3158
02:17:46,639 --> 02:17:44,550
dollar 3d video camera with the red

3159
02:17:48,589 --> 02:17:46,649
light on pointed at me as I'm walking

3160
02:17:50,240 --> 02:17:48,599
down the hallway and behind the camera

3161
02:17:53,089 --> 02:17:50,250
was a big mirror so I could see myself

3162
02:17:55,250 --> 02:17:53,099
as I approached the camera something

3163
02:17:57,110 --> 02:17:55,260
leaned out from the wall and looked at

3164
02:18:00,080 --> 02:17:57,120
me it was like a shadow person just the

3165
02:18:03,830 --> 02:18:00,090
upper part of a tour so you know the

3166
02:18:06,500 --> 02:18:03,840
shoulders and head and you know it kind

3167
02:18:08,870 --> 02:18:06,510
of I was taken aback for an instant and

3168
02:18:11,030 --> 02:18:08,880
then realized oh my god we just filmed a

3169
02:18:12,919 --> 02:18:11,040
ghost and I turned around and dashed

3170
02:18:14,660 --> 02:18:12,929
back thinking that possibly it was

3171
02:18:16,790 --> 02:18:14,670
somebody you know opening up the hotel

3172
02:18:19,100 --> 02:18:16,800
room door and looking out to see who

3173
02:18:21,110 --> 02:18:19,110
just walked by and the nearest door was

3174
02:18:24,160 --> 02:18:21,120
12 feet from where the figure appeared

3175
02:18:26,990 --> 02:18:24,170
and wouldn't you know it that particular

3176
02:18:29,060 --> 02:18:27,000
seven-minute stretch of footage of just

3177
02:18:30,919 --> 02:18:29,070
the camera pointing down the hallway was

3178
02:18:33,169 --> 02:18:30,929
never initialized into the camera now

3179
02:18:36,599 --> 02:18:33,179
we're talking a brand-new

3180
02:18:39,299 --> 02:18:36,609
$22,000 panasonic 3d video camera we're

3181
02:18:40,919 --> 02:18:39,309
not talking here folks about the iPhone

3182
02:18:42,599 --> 02:18:40,929
camera we're talking about heavy duty

3183
02:18:45,449 --> 02:18:42,609
professionals yeah yeah this is this is

3184
02:18:47,669 --> 02:18:45,459
you know we're talking not only we got

3185
02:18:51,540 --> 02:18:47,679
two separate cameras which statistically

3186
02:18:53,819 --> 02:18:51,550
and numerically makes it work well when

3187
02:18:56,849 --> 02:18:53,829
we flew over the Bradshaw ranch with a

3188
02:18:59,849 --> 02:18:56,859
History Channel for a UFO Hunters

3189
02:19:01,830 --> 02:18:59,859
segment on the Bradshaw ranch all the

3190
02:19:07,919 --> 02:19:01,840
batteries for all the cameras and audio

3191
02:19:09,989 --> 02:19:07,929
devices failed I've had the same thing

3192
02:19:12,620 --> 02:19:09,999
happen if I saw myself with batteries I

3193
02:19:14,819 --> 02:19:12,630
never never erased video but battery's

3194
02:19:16,919 --> 02:19:14,829
completely gets redundant

3195
02:19:20,279 --> 02:19:16,929
well David here's a question for you and

3196
02:19:22,500 --> 02:19:20,289
this comes from SRL who's a again

3197
02:19:26,750 --> 02:19:22,510
another longtime poster at forum dr.

3198
02:19:30,540 --> 02:19:26,760
Peric ascom and he's interested in an

3199
02:19:33,449 --> 02:19:30,550
associate of mr. Bigelow's allegedly

3200
02:19:35,790 --> 02:19:33,459
purchasing property as he relates it

3201
02:19:38,959 --> 02:19:35,800
above the ranch but david have you heard

3202
02:19:42,120 --> 02:19:38,969
of any other property that has been

3203
02:19:44,790 --> 02:19:42,130
somehow you know bought up by somebody

3204
02:19:47,069 --> 02:19:44,800
that's affiliated with big look you know

3205
02:19:49,229 --> 02:19:47,079
I've heard rumors of that I heard rumors

3206
02:19:52,349 --> 02:19:49,239
sometime back that Bigelow himself was

3207
02:19:54,029 --> 02:19:52,359
trying to buy more than Jason land it's

3208
02:19:56,639 --> 02:19:54,039
just sort of the nature of that region

3209
02:19:58,019 --> 02:19:56,649
that you know has Brian pointed out

3210
02:20:00,059 --> 02:19:58,029
earlier when he was talking about some

3211
02:20:02,870 --> 02:20:00,069
of the myths associated with the ranch

3212
02:20:05,069 --> 02:20:02,880
and would give you at the basin itself

3213
02:20:07,889 --> 02:20:05,079
we're looking at an area like this and

3214
02:20:10,260 --> 02:20:07,899
we've got incredible stories and

3215
02:20:11,639 --> 02:20:10,270
accounts and then we also have tons of

3216
02:20:13,559 --> 02:20:11,649
other things thrown into the mix that

3217
02:20:15,989 --> 02:20:13,569
it's just really hard to you know

3218
02:20:17,939 --> 02:20:15,999
substantiate the truth though I haven't

3219
02:20:20,760 --> 02:20:17,949
heard that anything has definitely been

3220
02:20:21,899 --> 02:20:20,770
purchased in that region I don't know

3221
02:20:24,870 --> 02:20:21,909
what the Ryan has heard anything

3222
02:20:26,670 --> 02:20:24,880
different part but that's my information

3223
02:20:29,130 --> 02:20:26,680
would you actually have to check the

3224
02:20:30,779 --> 02:20:29,140
records in the county in that area to

3225
02:20:32,760 --> 02:20:30,789
see exactly what may or may not have

3226
02:20:34,800 --> 02:20:32,770
been purchased yeah I think you would

3227
02:20:36,689 --> 02:20:34,810
have cool so unless somebody goes there

3228
02:20:39,779 --> 02:20:36,699
makes the effort yeah give me a budget

3229
02:20:41,460 --> 02:20:39,789
Gino suss it out for you well you don't

3230
02:20:42,840 --> 02:20:41,470
want from Robert Bigelow because we

3231
02:20:44,410 --> 02:20:42,850
never hear from it again we might not

3232
02:20:46,780 --> 02:20:44,420
ever hear from you again

3233
02:20:48,700 --> 02:20:46,790
well what do you guys think about about

3234
02:20:51,640 --> 02:20:48,710
Bigelow I mean we've we've been skirting

3235
02:20:54,250 --> 02:20:51,650
around the the biggie issue here the

3236
02:20:57,780 --> 02:20:54,260
whole show David let's start with you I

3237
02:21:00,820 --> 02:20:57,790
mean why do you think Bigelow has spent

3238
02:21:02,920 --> 02:21:00,830
incredible amounts of money to monitor

3239
02:21:04,990 --> 02:21:02,930
this particular location do you have any

3240
02:21:06,910 --> 02:21:05,000
sense of what is possible motivations

3241
02:21:08,950 --> 02:21:06,920
might be and do you think that there's

3242
02:21:12,580 --> 02:21:08,960
enough going on that would legitimize

3243
02:21:14,890 --> 02:21:12,590
his continued interest in the area you

3244
02:21:17,140 --> 02:21:14,900
know I can't tell you what drives him

3245
02:21:21,790 --> 02:21:17,150
personally Chris it is obvious that he

3246
02:21:23,980 --> 02:21:21,800
has an intense personal interest in UFOs

3247
02:21:26,320 --> 02:21:23,990
and paranormal phenomena in general I

3248
02:21:29,230 --> 02:21:26,330
mean his his history with this goes back

3249
02:21:30,969 --> 02:21:29,240
before the ranch we know he was you know

3250
02:21:32,920 --> 02:21:30,979
he financed and breeding them to

3251
02:21:35,710 --> 02:21:32,930
investigate or order the corona crash

3252
02:21:39,790 --> 02:21:35,720
and you know he's had his hand in things

3253
02:21:42,190 --> 02:21:39,800
for a lot of years now it's a shame that

3254
02:21:44,800 --> 02:21:42,200
somebody with those kind of resources is

3255
02:21:47,679 --> 02:21:44,810
not willing to make this sort of an

3256
02:21:50,650 --> 02:21:47,689
open-source project so we can utilize

3257
02:21:52,719 --> 02:21:50,660
this data I mean he's he's so incredibly

3258
02:21:55,300 --> 02:21:52,729
secretive like we heard from chip you

3259
02:21:57,550 --> 02:21:55,310
know these these strange maneuvers are

3260
02:21:59,170 --> 02:21:57,560
hiring a large number of people and some

3261
02:22:03,070 --> 02:21:59,180
was firing them after a period of time

3262
02:22:04,510 --> 02:22:03,080
and this is all very shadowy and you

3263
02:22:06,130 --> 02:22:04,520
know now we have this new information

3264
02:22:09,490 --> 02:22:06,140
that there was finances from the federal

3265
02:22:12,340 --> 02:22:09,500
government so it's pretty compelling now

3266
02:22:15,010 --> 02:22:12,350
you know combine that with the work that

3267
02:22:17,080 --> 02:22:15,020
you did recently when you guys went up

3268
02:22:20,650 --> 02:22:17,090
in films for conspiracy theory and the

3269
02:22:22,690 --> 02:22:20,660
latest I've heard on that is that they

3270
02:22:26,230 --> 02:22:22,700
just won't run this season a conspiracy

3271
02:22:29,800 --> 02:22:26,240
theory now they won't run the season

3272
02:22:33,179 --> 02:22:29,810
being well it's been put on on hiatus it

3273
02:22:35,800 --> 02:22:33,189
was a top rated show for the you know TV

3274
02:22:38,320 --> 02:22:35,810
yeah everything we filmed is being

3275
02:22:39,730 --> 02:22:38,330
edited right now by a third party and

3276
02:22:42,520 --> 02:22:39,740
they're considering not even airing it

3277
02:22:46,600 --> 02:22:42,530
at all what I've heard from Jesse and

3278
02:22:49,900 --> 02:22:46,610
from the producers okay Robert Bigelow

3279
02:22:52,450 --> 02:22:49,910
does he have a PR person or do you have

3280
02:22:54,370 --> 02:22:52,460
to contact him directly and say hey why

3281
02:22:56,560 --> 02:22:54,380
can't you give out any information does

3282
02:22:57,690 --> 02:22:56,570
he have a specific official statement

3283
02:22:59,790 --> 02:22:57,700
about this stuff

3284
02:23:01,950 --> 02:22:59,800
oh no well I mean this is about dollars

3285
02:23:04,320 --> 02:23:01,960
and cents Robert Robert Bigelow was not

3286
02:23:06,990 --> 02:23:04,330
obliged to reveal anything to us he's

3287
02:23:08,790 --> 02:23:07,000
operating as a private entity of the

3288
02:23:12,230 --> 02:23:08,800
private no we understand he doesn't have

3289
02:23:14,640 --> 02:23:12,240
any obligation to do anything as long as

3290
02:23:16,710 --> 02:23:14,650
he can do what the heck he wants as long

3291
02:23:18,301 --> 02:23:16,720
as everything he does is lawful I think

3292
02:23:21,301 --> 02:23:18,311
what he's doing from this translates the

3293
02:23:24,421 --> 02:23:21,311
dollars and cents he has a pass which is

3294
02:23:27,511 --> 02:23:24,431
the new unit has now become under the

3295
02:23:29,730 --> 02:23:27,521
entity of bass is a subcategory of

3296
02:23:31,410 --> 02:23:29,740
Bigelow Aerospace it's a subgroup of Big

3297
02:23:35,100 --> 02:23:31,420
Oil aerospace and Bigelow Aerospace is

3298
02:23:40,020 --> 02:23:35,110
being phase two space tourism Terry

3299
02:23:42,360 --> 02:23:40,030
tourism right now and I believe I don't

3300
02:23:43,470 --> 02:23:42,370
know I I really don't know I thought it

3301
02:23:45,631 --> 02:23:43,480
you know this is translating into

3302
02:23:47,040 --> 02:23:45,641
dollars for him and and what are you

3303
02:23:49,650 --> 02:23:47,050
fleeing from this is either

3304
02:23:51,631 --> 02:23:49,660
it's got to be possibly larger than just

3305
02:23:53,761 --> 02:23:51,641
a personal interest or maybe it fell

3306
02:23:58,200 --> 02:23:53,771
well certainly it's his money you can do

3307
02:24:01,740 --> 02:23:58,210
whatever he wants with it and well gene

3308
02:24:04,100 --> 02:24:01,750
we're not you know we're talking NSA and

3309
02:24:07,051 --> 02:24:04,110
I mean chips revelations about

3310
02:24:08,900 --> 02:24:07,061
government interest you know does kind

3311
02:24:10,950 --> 02:24:08,910
of call into question Bigelow's

3312
02:24:15,750 --> 02:24:10,960
proprietary interests there maybe he's

3313
02:24:17,430 --> 02:24:15,760
just a cutout an independent contractor

3314
02:24:19,770 --> 02:24:17,440
we've got more to say we have David

3315
02:24:25,200 --> 02:24:19,780
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hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

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listening to the Peres Cass

3423
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so what's the story of Robert Bigelow is

3424
02:29:04,479 --> 02:29:01,279
he just a private contractor working for

3425
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the NSA and therefore doing this stuff

3426
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and grabbing the information and sending

3427
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it on to them we have Ryan Skinner David

3428
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Weatherly with gene and Chris that was a

3429
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loaded question is there any other kind

3430
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yeah okay well it's an interesting

3431
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loaded question that was raised once

3432
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chip dropped the NSA word guys think of

3433
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that David start with you I'm still kind

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of taking that in you mean the

3435
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possibility that Bigelow is basically

3436
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working for the NSA I mean there's been

3437
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rumors about this for a long time and

3438
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you know I'm just not sure where it goes

3439
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at this point I think for some reason

3440
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there's a lot of government interest in

3441
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Utah I mean my god we've got in a deaf

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way proving ground which is almost

3443
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record west of community base and you

3444
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know we've got this this huge CIA Center

3445
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that's being built in Utah and and for a

3446
02:30:03,519 --> 02:30:00,890
long time there have been rumors

3447
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floating around that the military was

3448
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somehow involved with things around the

3449
02:30:12,040 --> 02:30:10,250
ranch and you know there's just a lot

3450
02:30:12,550 --> 02:30:12,050
awful lot of pieces of this puzzle to

3451
02:30:16,090 --> 02:30:12,560
put together

3452
02:30:20,469 --> 02:30:16,100
I think that's an understatement

3453
02:30:23,110 --> 02:30:20,479
I have heard some rumors of a location

3454
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about 30 miles southwest of the ranch

3455
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that is even more incredible in terms of

3456
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the types of phenomenal events that are

3457
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being recorded there have any of you

3458
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heard about dark Canyon what's that

3459
02:30:40,719 --> 02:30:38,029
ringing a bell yeah I just recently took

3460
02:30:43,210 --> 02:30:40,729
a trip to document like a group of

3461
02:30:46,389 --> 02:30:43,220
researchers with me and we we went to a

3462
02:30:49,240 --> 02:30:46,399
be dark canyon in the southwest which

3463
02:30:51,280 --> 02:30:49,250
according to the book is the lair of the

3464
02:30:54,960 --> 02:30:51,290
skinwalker I believe a junior Hicks

3465
02:30:58,210 --> 02:30:54,970
mansion this after being told by the

3466
02:31:00,130 --> 02:30:58,220
local natives yuta native said that was

3467
02:31:03,639 --> 02:31:00,140
the lair of the skinwalker so that of

3468
02:31:05,620 --> 02:31:03,649
course piques my interest so you've been

3469
02:31:08,260 --> 02:31:05,630
replaced by a skinwalker and you're here

3470
02:31:08,650 --> 02:31:08,270
to dis inform us or did anything happen

3471
02:31:11,430 --> 02:31:08,660
I'm

3472
02:31:15,360 --> 02:31:11,440
what you know what's up with that

3473
02:31:18,011 --> 02:31:15,370
there's the problem with that

3474
02:31:20,160 --> 02:31:18,021
d'Artagnan there's three separate dark

3475
02:31:22,690 --> 02:31:20,170
canyons that reside around skinwalker

3476
02:31:23,350 --> 02:31:22,700
there's one to the northwest one to the

3477
02:31:26,020 --> 02:31:23,360
Northeast

3478
02:31:28,091 --> 02:31:26,030
and one directly to the I think it's a

3479
02:31:29,650 --> 02:31:28,101
South East is when you're referring to

3480
02:31:33,580 --> 02:31:29,660
you and that's the one that we decided

3481
02:31:38,080 --> 02:31:33,590
to focus on on our expedition we went to

3482
02:31:41,110 --> 02:31:38,090
that dark Canyon we hiked the very edge

3483
02:31:43,360 --> 02:31:41,120
of and top of that Canon videotaped the

3484
02:31:45,091 --> 02:31:43,370
whole thing and at the very top we found

3485
02:31:48,210 --> 02:31:45,101
a very strange what appeared to be

3486
02:31:51,430 --> 02:31:48,220
petroglyph in the shape of an oval I

3487
02:31:54,761 --> 02:31:51,440
have a video on my website and pictures

3488
02:31:56,740 --> 02:31:54,771
level not only was it just an old range

3489
02:31:58,841 --> 02:31:56,750
petroglyphs on top of this Canyon that

3490
02:32:01,841 --> 02:31:58,851
there's no evidence that anybody had

3491
02:32:06,580 --> 02:32:01,851
hiked anywhere near this remote canyon

3492
02:32:09,790 --> 02:32:06,590
in many many years if ever the rock wall

3493
02:32:13,240 --> 02:32:09,800
was pressed outwards in an oval sheet

3494
02:32:14,801 --> 02:32:13,250
around the inner oval petroglyphs in the

3495
02:32:16,990 --> 02:32:14,811
center and they're very strange I have

3496
02:32:20,170 --> 02:32:17,000
no idea what it was but we managed to

3497
02:32:22,210 --> 02:32:20,180
videotape it no caves were found and I'm

3498
02:32:23,320 --> 02:32:22,220
to this this point not even sure that

3499
02:32:25,511 --> 02:32:23,330
was the correct

3500
02:32:28,600 --> 02:32:25,521
it's our king and one of the three is

3501
02:32:31,330 --> 02:32:28,610
checked off my list now I should just

3502
02:32:34,631 --> 02:32:31,340
mention here I tried to look at a list

3503
02:32:38,770 --> 02:32:34,641
of the world's billionaires I didn't see

3504
02:32:40,900 --> 02:32:38,780
Robert Bigelow among them hmm he's been

3505
02:32:44,950 --> 02:32:40,910
spending a lot of money building those

3506
02:32:48,730 --> 02:32:44,960
space hotel modules well again of course

3507
02:32:50,290 --> 02:32:48,740
if the corporation he has is financed to

3508
02:32:52,720 --> 02:32:50,300
the tune of more than a billion dollars

3509
02:32:57,730 --> 02:32:52,730
it doesn't reflect on his personal worth

3510
02:32:59,680 --> 02:32:57,740
that may be part of it yeah well to be a

3511
02:33:01,360 --> 02:32:59,690
millionaire is one thing in this country

3512
02:33:05,350 --> 02:33:01,370
to be a billionaire now it's something

3513
02:33:06,460 --> 02:33:05,360
else today's billionaire was you know 20

3514
02:33:08,980 --> 02:33:06,470
years ago

3515
02:33:13,381 --> 02:33:08,990
yesterday's millionaire so I'm not

3516
02:33:17,140 --> 02:33:13,391
surprised but he does have deep pockets

3517
02:33:19,301 --> 02:33:17,150
he has hired some of the top people in

3518
02:33:21,761 --> 02:33:19,311
the scientific community that are

3519
02:33:22,450 --> 02:33:21,771
interested in these subjects I mean you

3520
02:33:24,160 --> 02:33:22,460
could start

3521
02:33:27,610 --> 02:33:24,170
you know throwing names out like Jacques

3522
02:33:31,330 --> 02:33:27,620
Vallee and KITT green Eric Davis John

3523
02:33:34,170 --> 02:33:31,340
Alexander and people that I've worked

3524
02:33:36,550 --> 02:33:34,180
with actually within the organization

3525
02:33:38,500 --> 02:33:36,560
their veterinary pathologist George

3526
02:33:40,890 --> 02:33:38,510
o-net who did some very good papers that

3527
02:33:46,150 --> 02:33:40,900
were published much teen its credit

3528
02:33:48,160 --> 02:33:46,160
comme Kelleher a course but we're

3529
02:33:52,050 --> 02:33:48,170
talking about a ranch that has been

3530
02:33:55,060 --> 02:33:52,060
there for 16 years under his control and

3531
02:33:58,420 --> 02:33:55,070
I'm wondering do you guys think that

3532
02:33:59,820 --> 02:33:58,430
this scenario is gonna continue on do

3533
02:34:02,200 --> 02:33:59,830
you think we're gonna be seeing reports

3534
02:34:04,780 --> 02:34:02,210
filtering out of the region not only on

3535
02:34:07,300 --> 02:34:04,790
the ranch but in the northern you win a

3536
02:34:10,469 --> 02:34:07,310
base or an area what do you guys think

3537
02:34:13,540 --> 02:34:10,479
I definitely think we'll continue to see

3538
02:34:16,780 --> 02:34:13,550
reports that I mean it continues on a

3539
02:34:18,460 --> 02:34:16,790
regular basis anyway and I think we're

3540
02:34:21,130 --> 02:34:18,470
gonna see the status quo as stay the

3541
02:34:23,980 --> 02:34:21,140
same with the ranch for the time being I

3542
02:34:26,710 --> 02:34:23,990
don't think Bigelow has any interest at

3543
02:34:28,420 --> 02:34:26,720
all and you know allowing access or

3544
02:34:31,270 --> 02:34:28,430
releasing more information from there so

3545
02:34:33,430 --> 02:34:31,280
I think we're gonna have to rely on on

3546
02:34:37,120 --> 02:34:33,440
just collecting data from the region and

3547
02:34:39,969 --> 02:34:37,130
you know people like Ryan who visit the

3548
02:34:42,940 --> 02:34:39,979
direct area on a regular basis what

3549
02:34:45,219 --> 02:34:42,950
about two more nights just five months

3550
02:34:47,650 --> 02:34:45,229
ago there was a out of national story

3551
02:34:49,860 --> 02:34:47,660
but a statewide story in Fort you've

3552
02:34:53,440 --> 02:34:49,870
seen were more the ranch is located

3553
02:34:55,120 --> 02:34:53,450
regarding a regarding there was a

3554
02:34:56,320 --> 02:34:55,130
snowstorm and above the snowstorm they

3555
02:34:58,060 --> 02:34:56,330
saw what appeared to be a giant

3556
02:35:00,880 --> 02:34:58,070
mothership with lights beaming down on

3557
02:35:02,620 --> 02:35:00,890
it and the ship apparently knocked out

3558
02:35:04,620 --> 02:35:02,630
power to the whole region and this was

3559
02:35:09,700 --> 02:35:04,630
witnessed by multiple people

3560
02:35:11,890 --> 02:35:09,710
so again prior to its going out out

3561
02:35:13,930 --> 02:35:11,900
there is not it's not diminishing by any

3562
02:35:16,570 --> 02:35:13,940
means it's caring more in the public eye

3563
02:35:21,690 --> 02:35:16,580
and just recently I took a trip out

3564
02:35:24,250 --> 02:35:21,700
there after visiting our canyon and

3565
02:35:26,910 --> 02:35:24,260
roughly about 150 feet in front of me in

3566
02:35:29,820 --> 02:35:26,920
the air we had a giant blue light appear

3567
02:35:32,740 --> 02:35:29,830
later our location that illuminated us

3568
02:35:34,030 --> 02:35:32,750
and that had happened I was just out

3569
02:35:35,961 --> 02:35:34,040
there roughly about a month and a half

3570
02:35:37,821 --> 02:35:35,971
ago

3571
02:35:42,501 --> 02:35:37,831
I don't know if things are intensifying

3572
02:35:44,690 --> 02:35:42,511
but stories of a mothership and in my

3573
02:35:45,980 --> 02:35:44,700
own personal experience to me these that

3574
02:35:47,541 --> 02:35:45,990
we're gonna have even more stories in

3575
02:35:50,631 --> 02:35:47,551
the future that are going to be more

3576
02:35:52,461 --> 02:35:50,641
fantastic and open up our imaginations

3577
02:35:55,571 --> 02:35:52,471
and eliteness more to what's really

3578
02:35:58,940 --> 02:35:55,581
going on innovation another hot spot I

3579
02:36:02,871 --> 02:35:58,950
absolutely agree I think that was

3580
02:36:05,360 --> 02:36:02,881
eloquently stated you know we really

3581
02:36:09,680 --> 02:36:05,370
should contact like this fellow Carlos

3582
02:36:12,381 --> 02:36:09,690
Slim was worth 69 billion dollars and

3583
02:36:15,640 --> 02:36:12,391
see if he wants to kick in you know half

3584
02:36:20,961 --> 02:36:15,650
a billion for paranormal research

3585
02:36:22,730 --> 02:36:20,971
sign me up Jean or even Warren Buffett

3586
02:36:25,161 --> 02:36:22,740
you know Warren Buffett's a generous guy

3587
02:36:27,650 --> 02:36:25,171
Bill Gates why aren't these guys

3588
02:36:29,600 --> 02:36:27,660
committing some other fortune the thing

3589
02:36:32,001 --> 02:36:29,610
is people are under estimating Bigelow

3590
02:36:34,251 --> 02:36:32,011
as being some sort of a foolish

3591
02:36:36,140 --> 02:36:34,261
paranormal kook or whatever and that I

3592
02:36:37,821 --> 02:36:36,150
don't I don't think so whatsoever right

3593
02:36:39,860 --> 02:36:37,831
we're not saying that we're saying he's

3594
02:36:42,650 --> 02:36:39,870
probably a pretty smart guy who for

3595
02:36:46,251 --> 02:36:42,660
reasons best known to himself doesn't

3596
02:36:48,051 --> 02:36:46,261
tell you what he's researching and what

3597
02:36:52,881 --> 02:36:48,061
information he has maybe because of the

3598
02:36:55,100 --> 02:36:52,891
NSA connection who knows let me ask you

3599
02:36:57,051 --> 02:36:55,110
guys David Weatherly tell our listeners

3600
02:36:59,511 --> 02:36:57,061
where they can check out more of this

3601
02:37:02,980 --> 02:36:59,521
stuff that you research this way to find

3602
02:37:05,571 --> 02:37:02,990
me is my blog which is two crows

3603
02:37:08,301 --> 02:37:05,581
paranormal blog spot.com

3604
02:37:12,110 --> 02:37:08,311
and that's two crows like the birds fell

3605
02:37:13,701 --> 02:37:12,120
off the ttwo there's information posted

3606
02:37:15,680 --> 02:37:13,711
on there regularly in Spanish my

3607
02:37:18,560 --> 02:37:15,690
facebook you can follow me on facebook

3608
02:37:20,720 --> 02:37:18,570
at a Twitter feed and that's really the

3609
02:37:23,241 --> 02:37:20,730
best resource to find me women

3610
02:37:25,251 --> 02:37:23,251
Ryan Skinner is there a place we can

3611
02:37:26,661 --> 02:37:25,261
find more of your stuff hopefully you'll

3612
02:37:28,791 --> 02:37:26,671
find me down at the ranch pretty soon I

3613
02:37:30,860 --> 02:37:28,801
hope to go down there some more research

3614
02:37:32,810 --> 02:37:30,870
but right now the best way to reach me

3615
02:37:36,741 --> 02:37:32,820
is through the website skinwalker ranch

3616
02:37:39,020 --> 02:37:36,751
both calm and dot-org also hopefully on

3617
02:37:41,211 --> 02:37:39,030
the exciting show that Christopher and

3618
02:37:43,371 --> 02:37:41,221
myself had filmed together that ever

3619
02:37:45,591 --> 02:37:43,381
comes to light I'm pretty pleased to see

3620
02:37:48,269 --> 02:37:45,601
that as well I'm giving that a 50/50 at

3621
02:37:49,409 --> 02:37:48,279
this point that's what I hear

3622
02:37:52,979 --> 02:37:49,419
so this whole thing's gonna be on the

3623
02:37:56,460 --> 02:37:52,989
cutting room floor Chris no the episode

3624
02:37:58,939 --> 02:37:56,470
is is cut and in the can it's a matter

3625
02:38:02,789 --> 02:37:58,949
of how much influence Biglow can

3626
02:38:05,579 --> 02:38:02,799
possibly you know look forward to to

3627
02:38:08,219 --> 02:38:05,589
keep it you know unbraid cast I mean I I

3628
02:38:10,979 --> 02:38:08,229
don't know other any other way to say it

3629
02:38:12,750 --> 02:38:10,989
I mean the guy has some influence this

3630
02:38:15,359 --> 02:38:12,760
season has been done the segment's been

3631
02:38:18,359 --> 02:38:15,369
done and the shows aren't coming out so

3632
02:38:20,219 --> 02:38:18,369
you know careful Jesse careful the

3633
02:38:21,809 --> 02:38:20,229
subject should tackle FEMA camps and

3634
02:38:22,289 --> 02:38:21,819
those sorts of things might get you in

3635
02:38:24,239 --> 02:38:22,299
trouble

3636
02:38:26,519 --> 02:38:24,249
Chris O'Brien where do we find more of

3637
02:38:28,979 --> 02:38:26,529
your stuff here at the para cast warm

3638
02:38:29,939 --> 02:38:28,989
doctor para cast calm and it is a

3639
02:38:35,729 --> 02:38:29,949
strange planet

3640
02:38:36,329 --> 02:38:35,739
episode has been not strange but highly

3641
02:38:38,899 --> 02:38:36,339
informative

3642
02:38:41,939 --> 02:38:38,909
we had the skinwalker ranch

3643
02:38:44,519 --> 02:38:41,949
whistleblower or inside source ship

3644
02:38:46,800 --> 02:38:44,529
we've had David Weatherly and Bryan

3645
02:38:54,610 --> 02:38:46,810
Skinner guys thanks for joining us this

3646
02:39:01,161 --> 02:38:58,131
the para cast featuring Jean Steinberg

3647
02:39:04,001 --> 02:39:01,171
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3648
02:39:07,761 --> 02:39:04,011
presentation of making the impossible